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December 15, 2008

A Stoner J Christmas

Ah, I love crafting titles with double meaning.

Stoner J has released a single on Amazon, a uke rendition of White Christmas. 

You can download it for free. Yes. It’s really free. I think it sounds an awful lot like his rendition of Somewhere Over The Rainbow, the melody almost seems identical. Granted, I don’t listen to a lot of ukulele music, so…

But it sounds very, very similar. 

Hey, like I said, it’s free. Check it out for yourself.

Right now, here’s hoping Stoner J is smoking a big fat J and downing a fifth of Jack. And thinking about 2009, when his version of Hallelujah is featured on the soundtrack of the upcoming Mexican film Amar A Morir.

Check out the website. It looks like a decent film.

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95 Comments leave one →
  1. cant remember my name here permalink
    January 5, 2009 2:02 pm

    just want to say, being a musician, a working musician, means just that
    it doesnt necessarily mean a top 10 cd full of songs you never wrote or wanted to do
    jason will be just fine, he will do what he wants to do on his terms
    idol doesnt mean instant success, not even to the winner
    it might come as a shock to some older fans that younger people listen to music that is not heard on the radio at all, bands that are played on mtv are rarely if ever played on the radio and their cds are not top 10 or even chart on itunes
    these bands sell out every tour they have at small places like the house of blues
    did you know that both the plain white tees and the jonas bros were dropped by their first labels?
    having a major label is no sign of a career in music
    thanks

  2. Sane Jason Fan permalink
    December 29, 2008 4:16 pm

    TopIdol said:

    “So you’re a 20-year-old girl, out with her 20-year-old friends and you go to a concert and see women your mother’s age tossing panties at a dude who isn’t much older than you and won American Idol, a show you watched during your entire teenage life. What would you think?”

    I wasn’t going to bring this up but this is one of the things that scares me a little. I love my Grandma but I’m not sure I want to be at the same concert with her or a concert with predominantly women her age. It’s just uncool. And I definitely don’t want to see them throw their panties at a 20 year old guy. Not that I think Jason’s fans would do that but they might do something else equally unnerving. I know they have the technology.

    These street teams seem comprised mainly of older women and they aren’t going to attract younger fans. This is fine unless you are like me and hope Jason will start to build up more younger fans and broaden his fan base. He recently played a gig some place “under the radar” and he might have to do that for awhile.

  3. goldie63 permalink
    December 22, 2008 2:28 pm

    Guess I misread what standalone said. I went back and read it today and see she might buy a cd and did like some of his performances.
    Do you think vagina lady scares off David Cooks fans? Do you think it is bad that Andrew Cook is on stage with David sometimes? He seems to be successful and he has wacky fans and family involvement. I think you all put way to much emphasis on just a few fans. I just don’t think a few wacky fans will scare people away and I don’t think the Castros talking to fans will scare fans away. And with that being said, I will just agree to disagree with you people here and until we see what the future has in store for Jason, neither side can prove their point.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 22, 2008 3:11 pm

      Ok. How about this:

      That Jingle Ball show in Columbus, OH was where the women were throwing their pink panties. David Archuleta played one near where I live (Now I definitely would have been posting photos of people throwing panties at him if that happened…yikes), they’re sponsored by radio stations so there are several different acts, typically up-and-commers who have achieved a certain degree of fame during the past year. In addition to David Cook, this concert also featured Katy Perry and Natasha Beddingfield, as well as Irish singer Lesley Roy, a band called Thriving Ivory and Nick Lachey (Well, he’s a local boy and also served as the host, but poor guy has terrible taste in women).

      Katy Perry was one of the most talked about pop singers in 2008. Judging by the lineup of this show, I would guess there was mostly female audience, probably late teens and 20s to see Perry and Beddingfield, for example.

      So you’re a 20-year-old girl, out with her 20-year-old friends and you go to a concert and see women your mother’s age tossing panties at a dude who isn’t much older than you and won American Idol, a show you watched during your entire teenage life. What would you think?

      As I’ve said before, not all fans act that way, but there are plenty who DO. And even if they’re outnumbered at a show like the Jingle Ball, you’re still going to remember them because they were tossing underwear at the “rocker dude” who won American Idol.

  4. goldie63 permalink
    December 22, 2008 2:18 am

    Standalone, if you are going to slaughter sooner, you should make sure you don’t have any grammatical errors.

  5. goldie63 permalink
    December 22, 2008 2:16 am

    Hey Standalone, totally respect that you aren’t a fan. I don’t think most people think of Jason as Jesus. Maybe a few do, but there are probably a few that put David Cook or David Archuletta there too. It is the nature of the business.
    Standalone, I know you may not be jealous, but there are a few here that are. Who really cares about his Mom’s involvement. My opinion, if you do care about his mom’s involvement you are jealous. If you like the music why does it matter. Most fan sites are pretty stupid anyway. The fan sites that succeed have people that realize there is more to life than their idol. They discuss real life issues and then they becomes friends. These people also share a mutual interest in the musician, but they realize they have other things in common. This makes a successful fan site and I believe Jason actually has one of those. I think Jason has a great fan following and I’m not worried about over zealous fans.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 22, 2008 12:22 pm

      Why would Standalone not be a fan? They just said they liked him on AI and would buy a CD of his if he put a decent one out. That seems like a fan to me.

      Exactly. Just buying someone’s music is not being a “true fan”. That’s what it comes down to in soooo many of these Idol fan groups. BINGO. The YOU ARE NOT A TRUE FAN YOU ARE A HATER IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS mentality.

      And as far as Jason Castro being equated to Jesus, that wasn’t just Standalone using metaphor. I can attest to seeing many posts equating Castro to Christ, including ones where a fan compares the life of Jesus to that of Castro’s, starting with how they both share the same initials.

      And these posts descended into “Jesus was a carpenter, Jason was a construction science major” territory.

      And no one ever said they had a problem with his parents supporting his career. They have a problem with the way the parents interact with fans, from letting the young daughter take photos and chat on fan boards to accepting expensive gifts. That’s not being “supportive”. It’s being “supported”.

  6. standalone permalink
    December 22, 2008 2:05 am

    goldie- one last thing.
    The praising of Sooner and her unintelligent verbal diarrhea was repulsive and a major turn off.
    It shouldn’t reflect on Jason, but it’s enough to keep any sane person of his fansites.

    I’m sure Jason has/had young fans, but they way the over-the-top frauen took over his fansites probably scared them away.

  7. standalone permalink
    December 22, 2008 1:49 am

    Never said that I hate him.

    If a site is not entertaining and I cannot relate to the posters, I’m not going to stick around.
    Simple as that. I don’t understand why jealousy is stuck on your brain. 🙂

    Why did their behavior turn me off?
    That list would be endless.
    I didn’t go there to talk to his mom or little sister, donate money, discuss his ass, send gifts to him, send gifts to his relatives and gf, buy merchandise, listen to elderly fans attack younger fans for questioning their behavior, compare Jason to Jesus, and I definitely don’t believe AI is God’s greater calling.

    No, I am not a “true” fan. I thought Jason had some good performances and was not the typical contestant. So, I checked out his fansites. If he puts out a decent cd than I would buy it… but until then there is nothing to support… the voting has ended.

  8. goldie63 permalink
    December 22, 2008 1:03 am

    I also wanted to say I posted one time at DDB and was treated like shit, but this did not make me hate Jason. My opinion, at that time was maybe the over-the-top fans should step back a little. But, I then realized it takes all different kinds of fans to support a musician. Everyone has a right to support him and I don’t care what kind of management Jason has they can’t stop the obsessed fans. A true fan will support Jason no matter what and will not post such negative things about him.

  9. goldie63 permalink
    December 22, 2008 12:58 am

    Standalone, why did their behavior turn you off? How did this interfer with your enjoying Jason’s music? I personally, like his voice and could care less what other fans are doing. It just plain and simple doesn’t affect me. I think most of his fans will have no idea that Rosequeen pms Betsy, but I guess it bothers you. The only thing that keeps coming to my mind is jealousy. I guess I’ll never understand.

  10. goldie63 permalink
    December 22, 2008 12:51 am

    I think Zelda got jealous not angry and I think Rachel likes to fuel the fire. My guess is Rachel is chipmunk from the now defunt DDB. I do think the fans from DDB got carried away, but that was only because they wanted to prove they were true fans. Maybe it wasn’t the correct way, but why do you make fun of them.
    I personally think Jason is a good musician and hope he will do well. I like his version of “White Christmas”, but I certainly understand if people don’t like him. I really don’t understand why people feel the need to make fun of him and his family. His family has done nothing wrong. They are just trying to support their son and his career.
    I have always thought that people who make fun of others are jealous of them, and I will always stand by this thought. Why else do people make fun of other people. It makes them feel better about themselves. Maybe you all could explain why you do make fun of people. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

  11. standalone permalink
    December 22, 2008 12:45 am

    TopIdol- I agree with you 100%.
    I was impressed with some of Jason Castro’s performances. So, I checked out his fansites and I was completely turned off by the behavior there.

    People turn to sites likes yours, where they can discuss AI and laugh at the desperation of some of the contestants and their crazy fans.

  12. standalone permalink
    December 22, 2008 12:02 am

    “Jason would flip out if someone threw their pink panties at him.”

    Now that he’s considered girlfriendless, it could happen.
    Jason’s a big boy, I think he can handle it.
    Unless, you’re implying he has Archie’s mentality.

  13. goldie63 permalink
    December 22, 2008 12:02 am

    Standalone, you may be right. I was just basing my opinion on the fact they seem to defend each other. I don’t really know what Rachel thinks. I used to think they were the same person, but now I don’t know. She does seem to dwell on Sherry, Sooner and Rosequeen. I just think those 3 fans seem so irrelevant in the big picture.

  14. standalone permalink
    December 21, 2008 11:49 pm

    goldie- I have read a few of Zelda’s posts, and thought she had some valid points but they were too angry for my taste. That’s why I don’t visit her site. I just thought she was a fan of Jason that became stressed over the way the fansites were run.

    I’ve read plenty of Rachel’s posts and they are funny. I have never seen Rachel squee over Jason or his pants. So, your jealous comments don’t make sense to me.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 22, 2008 12:18 am

      I think Zelda got angry about the absurd gift giving and pushing out of other fans for a certain few to get close to Stoner J. And I think Rachel was a fan who had no idea being a fan of someone and supporting them would plunge them into a world of squee-ing and ass kissing.

      It’s quite telling, really, if you were to look at it in a larger context. A fan like Zelda and a fan like Rachel both turned off by the behavior they were witnessing. And if they disagreed with anything, they were lambasted. That’s not exactly right, is it? And it shows that yes, a lot of these fangroups do actually do a disservice to the object of their devotion.

  15. KBelisle permalink
    December 21, 2008 11:36 pm

    ugh.. i just watched the panty think on DC… Jason would flip out if someone threw their pink panties at him. I dont know about yall but VS panties aren’t cheap… and I’m not throwing them anywhere!

  16. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 11:22 pm

    TopIdol, I have read your posts and I do believe you supported Jason. I don’t really think you are invested in any of the idols. You found a following with Jason Castro and you went with it. I don’t find fault with what you do. Your just having fun with it.
    Like I said there are two types of people that post at your site. People that enjoy making fun of others and bitter fans that can’t get close enough to Jason.

  17. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 11:18 pm

    Standalone, you might be making fun of them, but I’m pretty sure Zelda and Rachel are extremely jealous of fans. It seems to me like these 40+ ladies want to get in his pants. Now that is scary. They are exactly the fans you are making fun of but they pretend not to be. Have you ever checked out Zelda’s my space page. Now, I’m not sure about Rachel, but she always defends Zelda, so I’m assuming she is the same.

  18. standalone permalink
    December 21, 2008 11:11 pm

    goldie- Time to take a deep breath. 🙂

    You cannot control the over-the-top fans, but you can certainly laugh at them… and Sherry, Rosequeen, Sooner, et cetera… make it so easy.
    They are such a giving group of tards.

    Some of the things the family and fans do are disturbing, in amusing way… and people are going to mock.
    You may never see the humor in it and nobody is trying to convince you, either.
    When someone doesn’t agree with you, and you start yelling “jeluz hater”… that’s funny.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 11:18 pm

      If all the Castro fans only cared about his musical career, they wouldn’t give a rat’s ass what I posted about his fans. After all, they keep claiming those zealous fans have nothing to do with the future of his career. And I’m a hater. As is Rachel and everyone else.

      However, if you read through the comments and my recaps from all the AI shows during last season you’ll see I was kind of rooting for the kid and I liked some of his songs.

      I don’t know if he’ll have a career past Idol but best of luck to him. It’s difficult. Hell, I wonder why I don’t see more of Nadia Turner (Season 5).

  19. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 11:02 pm

    Why did Rachel ask if I was Sooner? I just don’t understand.

  20. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 10:59 pm

    TopIdol, just ask rachel why she keeps bringing them up. She was the first one to bring them up. I had to go look up who they were. I was uninformed until Rachel brought those names up to me. I’m sorry I brought them up. I was just following Rachel’s lead.
    The only name I brought up was Zelda.

  21. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 10:47 pm

    I’m so sorry for the multiple posts. I just wish I could think faster on my feet. Oh well.

  22. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 10:37 pm

    Rachel, are you chipmunk?

  23. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 10:36 pm

    ^^^Now that’s the truth!!

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 10:50 pm

      Goldie, I don’t think anyone is jealous of the Castros, Sooner, Sherry or Rosequeen. I find it funny you keep bringing up the issue of jealousy. Why would anyone be jealous of any of these people? Can you answer that question?

      (But I think it is a little bizarre that some of those names are always brought up when the discussion veers to over-the-top fans, which means there must be a reason for it.)

  24. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 10:19 pm

    Rachel if anyone disagrees with you you go back to DDB. Scary thing is I don’t like DDB and I’m not friends with those people. I just like Jason Castro’s music and don’t understand your obsession with Rosequeen, Sooner and Sherrie. It looks like pure jealousy. In fact, why are you so obsessed with them. Why can’t you just enjoy his music? Why do you let these people interfer with your enjoyment of his music?

    And you’ll never believe me because you are so bitter when it comes to Sherrie, Rosequeen and Sooner. Funny thing is, I can still enjoy his music whether they are involved in his life at all, because I don’t know if they are involved in his life and I don’t care. And when someone is that stubborn they can’t get past a few fans then it is time to quit supporting the musician they like.
    Bottom line – do you like his music? Yes or no. YOU CANNOT CONTROL WHO HIS FANS ARE.

  25. Rachel_M permalink
    December 21, 2008 10:04 pm

    ^^^^ Now that’s comedy.

    Sooner, is that you?

  26. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 9:57 pm

    There are always people who are going to make fun of others. Hence, this site was formed. It is fun to make fun of people right. Personally, I don’t get it. But, I do compliment TopIdol, because you can actually defend your idol. At many of the other sites you can’t. I can’t even post at idletard and I only tried to post once, whatever.
    I see two types of people at this site. One type just likes to make fun of fans and the other just likes to trash an idol they like because they are jealous of other fans.
    I will never understand all of this, but I keep coming back and posting. I somehow think I can convince these negative poster they are wrong and then I realize they will not change anything. In reality it ain’t never going to happen. Some people only focus on the negative.

    There is nothing wrong with what the Castros are doing there are only extremely jealous fans that can’t handles the fact they can’t be that close to Jason.

  27. standalone permalink
    December 21, 2008 9:16 pm

    KBelisle- I didn’t think anyone really believed Betsy was trying to sell her son to the highest bidder for her own profit.
    I think it’s amusing when women old enough to be the contestant’s mom feel the need to defend and protect their “idol”. Especially, the frauen that attack the other fans that are questioning the motives of the family and over-the-top tards.

    You don’t have to get it. Their are countless successful comedians that many find their jokes tasteless. Different strokes.

    I’ve watched AI for along time and visited a few fansites. The squeeing and competitiveness on those sites was too bizarre for me.
    Then, I found sites like this, Idletard and VFTW.
    Sure, the comments can be cruel sometimes.
    Usually, the humor and photochops are hillarious and point out the obvious.
    jmhop 🙂

  28. KBelisle permalink
    December 21, 2008 8:24 pm

    standalone… i take people devoting their time to continually slander Betsy’s name seriously… because I think its a waste of time, hurtful and non-productive. But that’s just me. Besides that, I find most things on VFTW ridiculous.

    I enjoy this site because people actually seem to discuss things and agree to disagree without being over the top mean and nasty to each other. For the most part. From reading some things on this site, I’ve passed on concerns because I found them to be legitimate things to be concerned about … from reading VFTW, I’ve rolled my eyes.

    People making horrible comments about others under the guise of “a joke” is so over used. Know the difference between humor and viciousness.

  29. standalone permalink
    December 21, 2008 7:44 pm

    KBelisle- “Yes, I have read all the comments about how she was auctioning off her son and she had absolutely NOTHING to do with that.”

    That’s called a joke, because of Betsy’s past behavior people will mock her as a pimp momma.

    You seem to take this Jason Castro thing a little too seriously. If Jason can write some good tunes, has professional promoters and can connect with his peers.. he’ll do fine.

  30. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 5:19 pm

    Rachel, it was on idletard. Don’t you read idletard? I’ve seen a few of the people from here over there. They had a contest making business cards for her. No Rachel I don’t stalk her I just read these hate blogs.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 5:26 pm

      Ok. I remember who we’re talking about now. I just get confused, sometimes, because I’ve read some really crazy slash on IdleTard. I have a feeling lots of fans could easily be called Exploding Vagina Girl.

  31. Rachel_M permalink
    December 21, 2008 4:55 pm

    Goldie,

    You must know something about crazy fans because you knew about the exploding vagina girl. Are you obsessed with stalking crazy fans, too?

    LMAO.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 5:07 pm

      I’m not even sure if I know about Exploding Vagina Girl!!! Someone quick! Fill me in!

  32. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 3:45 pm

    TopIdol, where do you get the idea that Jason’s fans are showing up at the current concerts with decorated cars, bedazzled shirts, and such. I think that behavior goes along with the AI concerts and all of the the top 10. I don’t think this was strictly Jason. David cook has the wacko vagina explosion lady.
    It seems like it was a pretty ordinary group of fans attending his Fly Trap concert and he even gained new fans.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 3:50 pm

      I know you don’t particularly care for perusing my evil hater blog BUT you will see I recently posted on the Cook fans who were throwing panties on him while at a Columbus, OH show. All pink panties. They had a pink panty party. Posed for pink panty photos (Tongue twister!) with each other.

      It’s not limited to Castro fans but I would venture to say many have been over-the-top in their adoration in a noticible way.

  33. KBelisle permalink
    December 21, 2008 3:33 pm

    hehe

    Ya know, I haven’t heard anyone say they won that lunch… I have fingers and toes crossed that its not a Dreadhead… just to prove there are more than 2,500 who love Jason.

  34. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 3:30 pm

    How many reviews are there at the Amazon site. My guess is not many. I have a hard time reading reviews, because you never know what kind of music that person may like. People have different tastes. I know what kind of music I like and I don’t need someone to tell me they think it sucks. I don’t really care what other people think. If a friend tells me they like a musician I’ll listen, but why would I listen to someone I know nothing about.
    Rachel you seem to think the Castros have so much power in the this industry. If they have so much power over Amazon maybe they should be involved in his management.

  35. KBelisle permalink
    December 21, 2008 1:24 pm

    I doubt the Castros have the ability to control the review section of Amazon.com…. anymore then Betsy controlled the auction for the luncheon. Yes, I have read all the comments about how she was auctioning off her son and she had absolutely NOTHING to do with that. It was the Grammy organization. Again, validates my point of how people will believe anything (both good and bad) to validate their opinions.

    Maybe Amazon deleted the 1 star reviews because they knew that VFTW was spamming their site, just to jack with Jason.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 3:22 pm

      They would only have known that if they received complaints.

      Ah yes, the luncheon auction. Wonder who won that bad boy…

  36. Rachel_M permalink
    December 21, 2008 11:21 am

    The 1-star reviews on Amazon were deleted. I’m not sure if Amazon did this based on complaints, or if the Castros have the ability to do that themselves.

    It doesn’t seem to me that there can be a sense of balance if all they’re allowing is glowing 5-star reviews that say he’s a “genius”.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 1:11 pm

      That’s my point. If reviews on Amazon don’t matter, why were people clamoring to write 5-star reviews AND why were the 1-star ones deleted. I read something about artists/authors having the power to delete bad reviews on Amazon, but I have no clue as to if this is true or not.

  37. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 2:21 am

    It is almost as funny that all the VFTW people rush over to Amazon to review and post too.
    Do you really think people other than his hard core fans and VFTW people read those reviews? I don’t.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 2:33 am

      Do you really think people other than his hard core fans and VFTW people read those reviews? I don’t.

      Well, then. What was the point of rushing over there and leaving glowing reviews in the first place? If no one reads them?

      I’ll scan reviews of something I’m considering buying but am unsure about, but typically for books. Not so much with music and DVDs. Hmmm…I’ll think about this the next time I’m shopping.

  38. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 1:43 am

    Hey KBelisle,
    I agree with everything you said.

  39. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 1:37 am

    Okay TopIdol, what people here are saying is Jason’s fans are not the exception, because all male idol contestants have crazy and over-the-top-fans. Did it ever occur to people that their careers aren’t ruined by the fans, they just manage to achieve the success they were meant to achieve. Most of these people wouldn’t make it half as big as they do if it weren’t for idol.
    I don’t really think the crazy fans chase fans away, I just think fans become bored with them and move on. This is the nature of American Idol.

    Some have staying power, but it has nothing to do with crazy fans. I know you all here disagree with this, but people here really haven’t proven that crazy fans are chasing fans away. Your biggest evidence is the now defunct DDB. His myspace is gaining 25+ new friends daily. Yes some of these may be bogus, but there are comments from new fans daily. It appears to me that he is gaining new fans not losing them.

  40. KBelisle permalink
    December 21, 2008 1:32 am

    “Uh, NO. We said ALL MALE IDOL CONTESTANTS HAVE CRAZY AND OVER-THE-TOP FANS.”

    Haven’t there been over the top and crazy fans of really successful people for years and years? Why must everyone assume this will kill anyones career? I mean, I dont agree with alot of what crazy over the top people do but I dont think the crazy over the top fans are the ones who make or break an artists.

    No one had crazier fans than Elvis Presley or the Beatles or Bon Jovi or Kiss or The Greatfull Dead …

    but TopIdols point is very valid, its mainly with men, not women. I will always maintain that there wasn’t and isnt a market for Taylor Hicks, that’s why he hasn’t had commercial success… and Broadway is where Clay Aiken should have always been and his bank account isn’t hurtin cause of his crazy fans.

    I’m a realists about Jason’s career… I’d love him to only play smaller venues, put out good CDs and write and grow as an artists. Jason is not a large venue kind of arists. I dont get why people assume since he hasn’t put out a 3 CD Box Set for Christmas of 50 #1’s that he’s a failure and his fans are to blame… give him some time, geez, he’s making some great headway… Honestly, seems to me that he’s making some major steps to solidify a plan to have a long lasting career.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 1:57 am

      I think a lot of people prefer artists who play smaller venues. I know I do. I don’t typically enjoy the groups/artists who sell a zillion albums. But I think some people need to tone down their antics if Castro will ever be taken as seriously as say, Ray LaMontagne. When you go to a Ray LaMontagne show, you don’t roll up with glowsticks are effigies on a stick.

      And yes, other artists have insane fans. Hell, I don’t quite understand Jimmy Buffet’s Parrotheads. But the difference between the majority of Parrotheads and AI fans is that they’re kind of expected at Buffet shows and its a culture which evolved out of this man’s music. He has a very specific audience.

      And someone brought up how I base a lot of my opinions on the actions of one message board. Not so. Every time Castro gets mentioned in a news article or even the Amazon reviews, a group of fans races to the site and put up posts are reviews. Honestly, I do not know if someone would be turned off by the excessively glowing reviews on Amazon, or might be suspect of it when there were posts declaring “White Xmas” a work of “musical genius”. Maybe when I see this sort of thing posted around the web, it jumps out at me more. Not sure. But for most artists, you don’t typically see a clamoring of posts every time they are mentioned in the media, or anytime a poll opens up (e.g., EW Best of 2008 poll). It’s a bit excessive. Some of the tactics used by overzealous fans, some of the behavior, car decoration, bedazzling, et al…well, it’s difficult for someone on the outside to have respect for an artist if that’s the first thing they see at his shows.

      it’s one thing to show support through buying someone’s music and concert tickets. Buying gifts for a singer’s mother, or younger sister? Uh…that’s not showing support. That’s being a weirdo.

  41. KBelisle permalink
    December 21, 2008 1:20 am

    TopIdol, you are correct, I just went and looked at that profile again and it was something set up for me, over a year ago that is still showing a “current” position that I haven’t held in over 16 months. There is website somewhere that is showing me at Arthur Andersen, which the information is over 12 yrs old. I was asked about it and shocked that someone could find that out about me. My point was and still is… LinkedIn is not always current. Especially for people like me who didnt set it up for myself to begin with, thus do not update it for myself.

  42. goldie63 permalink
    December 21, 2008 12:28 am

    So what people are saying here is Jason’s fan are not an exception. All musicians have crazy over the top fans and they still manage to have careers. Basically, a person’s life will change when they enter into the world of show business. My point is the people here will never change this. Why waste your time talking about it. I think there are a few people here that are way to invested in what Jason’s fans do. I can’t believe Rachel has the time to know what they wear, where they stand and who they take pictures of at concerts. Quite frankly, this seems like scary behavior to me. I would quit worrying about Jason’s fans and would start worrying about these people stalking his fans.

    I don’t think casual fans waste their time trying to find out about these crazy fans. I think they like a musician, buy his music and go to his concert and don’t pay any attention to the other fans.
    I sure as heck didn’t know any of these other idols had crazy fans and it sure wouldn’t deter me from buying their music if I liked it. Why do I care what another fan is doing. In reality, I’m not really aware that Jason has any crazy fans, its just a few people here trying to convince me of this. And the examples you use are always lame. I’m sorry if other fans choose to buy him a gift that is their business. This in no way affects my ability to enjoy his music. Jason’s mom emailing Rosequeen doesn’t affect my ability to enjoy his music either. If people do let these reasons stand in their way of enjoying a musician, they are either extremely jealous or really shallow. I wouldn’t really call these people true fans.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 21, 2008 1:00 am

      So what people are saying here is Jason’s fan are not an exception. All musicians have crazy over the top fans and they still manage to have careers.

      Uh, NO. We said ALL MALE IDOL CONTESTANTS HAVE CRAZY AND OVER-THE-TOP FANS.

  43. Sane Jason Fan permalink
    December 20, 2008 9:15 pm

    You may not believe me but go ask Clay Aiken or Taylor Hicks. The history of Idol is the proof of it. Saying that you’ll never be convinced of it is sort of like saying you’ll never be convinced that the earth isn’t flat.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 20, 2008 10:23 pm

      Exactly. Go ask Clay Aiken or Taylor Hicks. And David Cook doesn’t look like he’s having a good time when panties are being thrown at him when he’s on stage. This kind of over-the-top behavior turns off would-be and casual fans. How can the average fan AND record industry executives take an act seriously when the most visible fans at concerts and other public appearances are adult women decorating their cars and carrying around homemade effigies?

      Check out this Radar Online article from almost a year ago:

      http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/01/taylor-hicks-fans-are-crazy.php

      Here’s my favorite comment, too:

      okay let me get this conspiracy straight. Taylor’s fans are very sexy young women, but because they do not want to appear skanky toTaylor who walks on water and can part seas, these sexy goddess like ladies disguise themselves as elderly women dressed in glitter and puffy paint.. Taylor’s pretend G/F’s ex B/F helps the bloggers who lay with their keyboards on the grassknoll and he barks when things get a litlte too glittery. There are posters who pretend to be crazy Soul patollers to make them look even crazier…I really do not think from the posts here they need too much help to establish that . I think they can get certified all on their own.

      Oh, and LinkedIn didn’t launch until May 2003. Users create profiles, it’s not generated from other sources like Zoom Info. So, K, if you worked somewhere 12 years ago, why would it be on your profile on a social network that didn’t launch until almost 3 years ago? Especially when the only way you would have a profile would be if you created it. How does this work?

  44. goldie63 permalink
    December 20, 2008 9:04 pm

    Sane Jason, you will never convince me that many people that won’t support Jason, because they think his fans are nuts. I just don’t see it. The only place I actually hear about this stuff are the sites that like to make fun of fans. I just don’t buy in to what you are saying. I really think that you and Rachel and Zelda are the ones with the issues with other fans.

  45. Sane Jason Fan permalink
    December 20, 2008 7:50 pm

    I’m not Rachel but I can say this;

    On a personal level I don’t care what any of these fans do. They can move into the Castro house and live there for all I care. They can finance his career or give gifts. People can do what they want with their own money and it’s up to the Castro family as to whether they want to accept these things. The problems start when people become very public about what some would consider to be over the top escapades. That leads some to believe that Jason’s fans are a little kooky and if Jason accepts these things then they may think he’s a little kooky. I’m not saying whether this is right or wrong. I’ve just known it to happen. It’s happened to other Idols. The looney behavior of their fans becomes the story and they themselves become inexorably intertwined with that behavior. This doesn’t help a musician who is trying to appeal to a broad market.

    For myself, that’s the concern. Very public behavior that crosses a line with the average fan. And you’d be surprised at what the average fan hears. The other day I mentioned Jason’s “White Christmas” download to a friend who is an average Idol fan. The first thing she said was “His fans are batsh*t crazy”. I was amazed she had heard about anything because she never even posts on message boards but there appears to be some strange ‘in the air’ phenomenon where things like this spread around.

    I should point out that despite hearing strange stories she still downloaded and enjoyed Jason’s rendition of “White Christmas”. But she’s an Idol fan and she’s seen bedazzled t-shirts and decorated cars. I have to wonder how a non-Idol fan would react to some of the ‘batsh*t crazy’ stuff. That’s my only worry.

  46. goldie63 permalink
    December 20, 2008 7:05 pm

    Rachel, you sure do know a lot about his fans, such as their location during concerts, what they wear and who they take pictures of. You seem to be quite obsessed with these people. It seems to me like most fans were inside watching the concert. I don’t have a problem with people doing any of this. These people choose to enjoy life, while you choose to be judgemental and bitter. Why can’t Jason’s family and friends help him out? You seem to be extremely jealous of these people.
    There are pictures all over the internet with young fans and yes there are those with older ones too. I’m so glad he reaches such a broad range.
    I am a fan of Jason and his music and I don’t care if he becomes friends with certain fans or has friends help him out in his career. I am just looking forward to a cd, and don’t care if I ever meet him. I will never understand this stupid obsession some people here have with certain fans getting to close to the Castros.

  47. Sane Jason Fan permalink
    December 20, 2008 6:08 pm

    goldie,

    I guess you’re going to have to point out where I said that all Jason’s fans are older. I don’t think I’ve ever said that and I don’t believe it to be true. What I have said and do believe is that his most vocal and omnipresent fans are older women.

    Like Rachel I’d like to see evidence of more younger fans. I know there are some but I haven’t been able to find them in great numbers. I suppose it’s possible they are drowned out by their older counterparts though.

  48. KBelisle permalink
    December 20, 2008 3:49 pm

    yes… and on Linkedin it still shows me working for Arthur Andersen… can we say 12 years ago?

    And don’t knock cheerleaders… that’s a tough crowd to wrangle.

  49. Rachel_M permalink
    December 20, 2008 3:43 pm

    Goldie wrote: “Rachel, it is a good thing you aren’t managing Jason’s career, because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
    I actually know there is more than one college fan working on his street team and I’m sure do to since you seem to stalk his fans.”

    Goldie, I’m going by what you wrote earlier. You wrote “Guess what I’ve seen some pretty hot looking girls posing with Jason and know for a fact that he has a young college student on his street team.” So then I wrote that having 1 young college student on his street team wasn’t enough. You contradicted yourself by saying you knew of one young street teamer, and then later when I mentioned that, you went on to say you knew there was more than 1 college street teamer.

    I’d like to see more evidence of these younger fans. The older ones (often older than Jason’s mom) must be the more vocal ones. They are the ones toting Flat Jason around, taking pictures of Jason’s dad’s behind, wearing the glittery outfits in Garland, and spending time at the merchandise table instead of going back to listen to Patti Labelle’s set.

    For far too long his family was managing his career, to his detriment. Sooner is still listed as “fan management” on LinkedIn. Those people have no PR background, just cheerleading experience.

    Goldie, it’s clear that you are a devoted fan of Jason’s. Keep on supporting him. I just think he could do so much more if he attracted new, younger fans.

  50. KBelisle permalink
    December 20, 2008 2:33 pm

    What makes me laugh the hardest is that no matter now many times its said, there will be people who would rather believe the lies and manipulation of information… than state their own opinion based off the truth. There are so many half truths and misconceptions being written as fact about Jason and especially his family, its extremely entertaining…. to a point.

    Refreshing Jason’s myspace doesnt “fool” the record companies into thinking that Jason has more fans than he really does… facts are, Jason has over 58,000 “friends” on myspace. People ARE checking him out. People BESIDES Dreadheads listen to his music. There is no way that 4 or 5 ladies can rack up over 40,000 hits a day on his music. Not enough hours in the day people.

    But, Rachel_M… I do agree 100% with you, I’d love to see Jason do a college tour and build up his younger fan base.

    Regardless, people in the industry have taken notice of Jason. His White Christmas has some deep connections that people would be surprised to know.

    As far as the family…. Betsy and Renee have a very difficult rope to walk. During AI, no one knew where Jason’s career was heading, he only HAD his family to take care of things for him. Now he has professional management and very impressive legal support. But, many artists have their family handling their merchandise. Garth Brooks cousin still handles his.

    People can say what they want but inside 6 months, Jason has been on a national tour, put together a professional management and legal team, written and recorded no less than 10 songs, recorded a Christmas MP3 and released it on Amazon.com, was CHOSEN as the first act to book to open the Fly Trap and performed for 5,000 at a christmas concert to help raise money for GISD’s Best Education foundation. Sounds like he’s been pretty successful in beginning a career to me. The key word is BEGINNING a career. People need to remember that. And he couldnt have done all that with only 2,500 Dreadheads.

  51. goldie63 permalink
    December 20, 2008 1:55 pm

    Rachel, I bring up Zelda, because she seems to be the fan that gets so jealous of other fans and is turned off by them. Go read her blog at zeldastraighttalk. Oh that’s right both you and TopIdol commented. I just can’t believe how obsessed you and Zelda are with a few fans. Like I said, get over it. I would have posted this on Zelda’s blog, but she won’t let anyone disagree with her.

    I don’t think you have any real figures or ages of Jason’s fans. This is strictly your opinion. I don’t view myspace as a means to get a contract, but you can certainly tell by the people commenting that he has many young fans. Until you get some real numbers of his old fans I will continue to believe this is only your opinion.

    There are new people commenting daily on his myspace and many look very young. I will take that as more of an indicator of Jason’s success rather than a couple of bitter fans posting at this site.

    Rachel, it is a good thing you aren’t managing Jason’s career, because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
    I actually know there is more than one college fan working on his street team and I’m sure do to since you seem to stalk his fans.

  52. Rachel_M permalink
    December 20, 2008 11:33 am

    Goldie,

    Why bring up Zelda specifically? Why not bring up the over-the-top fans who took over date night (Sherry) or keep bragging about their personal connections with Betsy (Rosequeen)? You clearly have an axe to grind with Zelda. I don’t see her doing anything wrong except expressing her opinion, which she’s entitled to. The fans who give gifts to Jason’s 13-year-old sister, take pictures of Jason’s dad’s butt, take pictures of Jason’s crotch and enlarge it (I kid you not), kiss up to Betsy and Sooner, go to his church just to stalk him, put collections of money together to buy their way in to the family, those are the people who bring bad attention to Jason.

    As far as myspace goes, I personally feel it’s a massive waste of time for the hardcore fans to spend their whole day refreshing his myspace to make it look like he has more fans than he does. Record companies aren’t that easily duped. And then gifting Jason with plaques to commemorate those plays is beyond silly.

    Having 1 young college student on his street team isn’t proof that he has young fans. The majority of his fans are older…that is a FACT. They are the ones with the funds to travel across state and national borders to see him perform. The older ladies street teaming is definitely not going to attract younger fans. Jason should make use of his Texas A&M connections and promote himself on the college circuit to grow his fan base with a younger demographic.

    Anyway, the new AI season is coming and many will move on to become fans of the new crop of contestants. Jason’s 15 minutes will be over unless he takes his music and/or marketing in a completely new direction.

  53. goldie63 permalink
    December 20, 2008 2:20 am

    Sane Jason Fan, I have to disagree that all of his fans are old. I see evidence of many young fans. I know you all want to discredit myspace, but go read and there are many young fans. I think DDB attracted older fans, but once again, that consisted of about 2500 people, not nearly enough to support a musician. Once again DDB will not make or break Jason. I never had any interest in DDB. I think the fans that are turned off by the over zealous fans as you claim are also older fans. I personally, don’t think the young fans devote their time to this stupid obsession with Jason’s family and his fans. I know Zelda who has a problem with Jason’s family and fans is 48+. In the last few weeks, I have seen evidence of him gaining younger fans.

  54. Sane Jason Fan permalink
    December 20, 2008 1:50 am

    goldie63,

    I doubt there are any statistical facts on Jason Castro’s fan base available anywhere. Somebody would have to compile them before we could hand them to you. But even in their absence I feel very confident stating that Jason’s most vocal and omnipresent fans are mostly older women. There’s just no getting around that and I don’t see how anyone could argue otherwise with a straight face. I was on the now defunct DDB and I’m familiar with the regulars and saw all the tour photos and almost all of them were older women – that’s not to say everyone there was older though. DDB was probably at least a somewhat accurate representative sample of Jason’s fans.

    The argument that Jason should not bother with younger fans was made by a person who claimed to be his fan…….in the comment section of an earlier post on this very site. It annoyed me then and it annoys me now. Besides being very unwelcoming towards younger fans it is short-sighted and bad business.

    I don’t think Jason is personally doing anything wrong. I do think there are a few people close to him – a few, not a lot – that have not served his interests very well. Now that he has professional management this is presumably no longer an issue.

  55. goldie63 permalink
    December 20, 2008 1:10 am

    Top Idol, I don’t think Jason is your typical idol. I don’t actually believe he will obtain the success like Kelly Clarkson or Carrie Underwood, but I don’t think he needs to. I think he would like to support himself as a musician and I actually think he is quite talented. I hope he has all the success he deserves. Yes it is hard to get rid of the idol image, but I love the people he has hooked up with so far in the music industry. I think he is heading in the right direction.
    I do believe people here were currently questioning Jason’s management. Standalone basically said Jason was fucked with this management. I have been following your posters for a while and it has become quite apparent that some of them are quite bitter about the Castros and some fans. I actually see no difference in the people posting here and those obsessive fans. Quite frankly, both seem obsessed with Jason Castro.

  56. goldie63 permalink
    December 19, 2008 11:15 pm

    Top Idol, are you catching flack for posting things about Jason’s family? I haven’t seen it. I do see a few that don’t understand why Jason’s family is involved in his life. I think it is great that Jason has family to support him. Many people at this site stated Jason needed real management. Guess what, he got real management. Then people here second guess his management. You all say his management doesn’t know how to represent people. I think they’ve done okay with their other clients. I guess some people will always be a critic.

    Some of you say Jason need younger fans. Guess what I’ve seen some pretty hot looking girls posing with Jason and know for a fact that he has a young college student on his street team. What do you want?
    If I was an outsider looking in, it would appear to me you all are extremely jealous of anyone close to Jason. But, since I know you all are not fans of Jason, I haven’t quite figured out why you waste your time obsessing with him.

    What exactly do you think is wrong with what Jason is doing. My goodness, he has had two concerts in the past few weeks. He has created new music. People will decide if they want to support him.

    The thing I don’t understand is why you say myspace is so irrelevant, while you put so much emphasis on a fan space, daydreamingboy.com, which no longer exists. I think if you go to his myspace you will see comments daily from many different YOUNG FANS. You can state your opinion that this is not true, but you have no real facts.

    Where do you get your facts that Jason has an old lady fan base. Oh wait, this is just your opinion, because there are no statistical facts.

    Somebody here please show me a major publication that states Jason Castro will not succeed because his parents are involved in his life or his fan base is too old. Everyone keeps insisting he has lost fans, but this seems to be an opinion shared by the people here. I need some real evidence, not just that he lost some fans at daydreamingboy.com, because 2500 fans will not make or break a star.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 20, 2008 12:25 am

      I think it is great that Jason has family to support him. Many people at this site stated Jason needed real management. Guess what, he got real management. Then people here second guess his management. You all say his management doesn’t know how to represent people. I think they’ve done okay with their other clients.

      You’re talking about posts/comments made months ago. Now he has a management team in place. No one is debating that.

      If I was an outsider looking in, it would appear to me you all are extremely jealous of anyone close to Jason. But, since I know you all are not fans of Jason, I haven’t quite figured out why you waste your time obsessing with him.

      Uh, no. Why would I be jealous of a kid who sings? I can’t sing, nor have I had any aspirations of being a singer. I don’t know why anyone else would be “jealous” either. That sounds like a reason you give a child when they say someone at school is being mean to them

      The thing I don’t understand is why you say myspace is so irrelevant, while you put so much emphasis on a fan space, daydreamingboy.com, which no longer exists. I think if you go to his myspace you will see comments daily from many different YOUNG FANS. You can state your opinion that this is not true, but you have no real facts.

      MySpace is basically irrelevant when it comes to procuring a record deal. Sure, it’s helped some bands get a grassroots following, but just because you have a zillion MySpace friends and a zillion more song plays doesn’t mean a record company is going to sign you. And yes, it is a fact that the younger market is the primary focus of the music industry. The entire entertainment industry. I’m hoping “older” actresses start getting more meaty roles with some recent successes to show that not every over-45 actress needs to be Botox-ed or be relegated to “old” parts in film and on television. That’s just an example, but I don’t think anyone will disagree when I say the entertainment industry favors youth AND being a hit with young kids.

      And when fanbase is mentioned, its the fanbase. The Dreadheads are the same thing as DDB for all-intensive purposes. I typically just refer to all of them as a fanbase, however, the DDB/DH devotees tend to be the most uh, vocal(?) of Castro’s fansites.

      And the women traveling from all over to see him perform ARE predominantly older. Kids tend to see artists when they’re in the general area, for the most part, for a variety of reasons including affordability.

      Somebody here please show me a major publication that states Jason Castro will not succeed because his parents are involved in his life or his fan base is too old.

      No one ever said he won’t succeed. But being an Idol contestant already means the chips are stacked against you. And you may think this is just an opinion, but I think its backed by very strong evidence. The most successful contestants on the show have been female because they have been able to gain different fans. I never watched this show but up until a few years ago, and I only watch now because I fell into doing this blog. I’ve never been to an Idol concert. I think Jennifer Hudson is wonderful and I never heard her sing until Dreamgirls. When I first heard Since You’ve Been Gone, I wondered who is that only to find out it was Kelly Clarkson. She made me a fan. I have never cared for Carrie Underwood whatsoever but how many major awards has she won? Exactly. I’m not saying it’s a rule but it’s the way the evidence points. And the reason these women were able to crossover more successfully into non-Idol stardom could very well be the fact they do not attract the same types of fans as the male contestants. Sure, Clay Aiken has been on Broadway. But one could easily argue more people know who he is only because of the talk surrounding his sexuality AND the Claymates.

      Adult women acting like teenagers and wearing bedazzled blue sweatshirts with a 21-year-old kid’s picture on the front isn’t exactly appealing to someone who might go to a show as a casual fan. I’ve never opined that people should stop being fans of someone because it’s not “age appropriate”. But there are a lot of fans who BEHAVE inappropriately and that’s not gonna help this kid’s career. And it’s not the first time this has happened. Check out the post-Idol careers of the previous male contestants.

      Oh. And I’m not a major publication. But major publications only tend to cover people when they release an album. And maybe when he releases one, they’ll review it and give it amazing reviews and people will go out and buy it. I’m not saying that won’t happen, but the shelf life of Idol contestants is up by the time the Tour starts in the eyes of most of the show’s viewers. Magazines aren’t clamoring to cover any of them once the season ends.

  57. Sane Jason Fan permalink
    December 19, 2008 8:33 pm

    I don’t think it’s necessarily bashing his family to point out that some of the things they are doing may not be wise. There don’t seem to be any boundaries between the family and the fans and someday someone may get the wrong idea from that.

    The problem for the Castro family is that once the appetite for this sort of thing is created it’s hard to turn it off. They don’t want to lose these hardcore fans and in many ways this is more about the fans than about them. What I mean by that is that if I buy someone a gift I don’t feel the need to go online and talk all about it and post a bunch of pictures about it. I think many of these fans want to draw attention to themselves and that’s what is motivating the gifts and wanting the pictures with family members, the Castro family pets et cetera. It’s a “Look at Me” thing.

    It’s possible the Castro family got in over their heads. They didn’t think it through and now if they stop it, they may offend someone. If a new fan doesn’t get a picture they may get annoyed and think the Castros are playing favorites. If an older fan who has devoted time and money to supporting Jason doesn’t get what they want they may get annoyed that the well has gone dry. Some people go to these events now expecting to get pictures with the Castro family and to have their gifts received with the appropriate amount of joy.

    I agree with you 100% about the need to attract younger fans. Jason’s older fans have advanced plenty of arguments against young fans – that younger fans’ taste in music changes and they don’t have the income that older fans do. I think this may be true of a 12-year-old but once you get to be college-aged your taste in music doesn’t change radically. And I know many college students who have plenty of money to spend on CDs.

    I also agree that the more rabid activities of some of Jason’s older fans will turn off younger fans and probably record executives as well. His management company has to know this though so I’m hoping they’ll be able to handle it. I agree that this is one of the hazards of the AI experience. Especially for a male contestant.

    I can’t agree about the dreads though. Not yet, anyway. They fit his laid back image and he needs his AI image to persist a little while longer. Most people who remember Jason from the show remember him as being an incredibly likable guy. With these other goings-on that’s actually helpful to him.

  58. Sane Jason Fan permalink
    December 19, 2008 4:40 pm

    There have definitely been articles written about some AI fan bases being a little kooky. This is a problem for many male AI contestants, not just Jason. Some overcome it, some are damaged by it.

    I think the behavior of Jason’s family and some of his fans has turned off some of his hardcore fans and probably some casual fans who have heard about it. Others, like me, are willing to overlook all the crap and wait for his music. I guarantee you there’s a “Sherry” in every AI fan base. There are always people willing to kiss up and do anything and everything to get close to the object of their affection. Many of these people have been fans of previous Idol contestants. They just go from Idol to Idol to Idol. Not much you can do about it.

    The big challenge for Jason is to hold the fans he’s got and expand his fan base. This is especially important now since soon the new season of AI will start up and people’s attention will shift from season 7 Idols to the new season 8 contestants. This is where management and connections are critical. He needs publicity and street teams, while helpful, can’t do it all. I don’t know much about his current management but I’m glad they’re around.

    Hopefully if his music is good and people hear about it they will buy it. The crazy fan stuff could affect how seriously he is taken in the music industry however. If the same fans keep turning up at all his events with bedazzled t-shirts and decorated cars and over the top gifts it could cause comment. Actually, it’s causing comment now but I don’t think that many people are paying attention. Hopefully his management team will be able to turn the attention away from the crazy fans to other things and his music will be strong. Only time will tell.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 19, 2008 7:11 pm

      Well put, Sane Jason Fan, well put.

      It cracks me up when I catch flack about posting things regarding his family and it gets twisted into me bashing supportive families. That’s so not the case. Having an encouraging and supportive family is a wonderful thing and can really help when you’re trying to make it as anything — ESPECIALLY when aiming for success in the cutthroat entertainment industry.

      However, there is a big different between being supportive and being overbearing and meddlesome. Maybe those aren’t the most accurate words, but you get what I’m saying. And let’s, for a moment, take out the extreme merchandising activities and acceptance of over-the-top gifts. The family interacting with the fans on such a personal level is not a good idea. Taking photos with the younger sister is just BIZARRE. As is taking photos of the father’s ass.

      A lot of would-be fans get turned off by the overzealousness of the devoted older women who vie for not only his affections, but those of his family. Weren’t there posts about the book signing when people expressed dismay about being rushed through because other groups had spent too much time meeting & greeting? Being on AI can really be a hinderance when you’re trying to be taken seriously as a recording artist, and not just by fans, either. Record industry execs aren’t stupid. They know what comes with the territory. I don’t even want to imagine the letter writing that goes on if a label drops one of these people. Hell, these crazy fans inundate networks with emails when they postpone airing a show one of these former contestants appears on. Who wants to even touch that with a ten foot pole? People don’t want to deal with that, nor do they see the financial benefit in promoting someone whose fanbase is predominantly over 40.

      I’m not saying these older woman can’t enjoy these kids’ music, but you can’t deny the fact the entertainment industry places a high importance on what they can market to YOUNG PEOPLE because that’s where the money is. And yes, there are exceptions, but on a whole I’m not stating anything which isn’t 100% fact.

      If Stoner J wants to establish a career on his own accord, he needs to move away from being Stoner J from American Idol. He doesn’t have to change his music or his image necessarily, but do something different. Here’s a great idea: LOSE THE DREADS. If not, he’s always gonna be the guy with dreads from American Idol. Even a little thing like that could do a big service.

  59. goldie63 permalink
    December 19, 2008 3:01 pm

    Rachel, get over it. You sound like a broken record. Daydreamingboy.com and the Dreadheads will not make or break Jason’s career. Move on. Everyone else has and it still appears to me that he has fans. You seem to think the only thing that counts in Jason’s career is a small fan site that consisted of about 2500 people. Guess what, most fans won’t even know it existed and most fans will be the type that like the music and buy it, and won’t know a thing about his family. Most fans don’t obsess about every little thing that goes on in his life. I know many people who like Jason’s music and don’t know or care about what goes on in his personal life. They don’t care if it is his family that helps him get a cd out or if it is his management. I don’t understand why the people here can’t comprehend that.
    As far as I can see, the only ones talking about the fans are you people here. I have never once read a review that stated Jason won’t succeed because his fans buy him gifts. People that write reviews write about the music. Bottom line – is it good or bad. I enjoy his music and think others will too. Time will tell.

  60. Rachel_M permalink
    December 19, 2008 1:12 pm

    The rabid fans kissing up and buying the family gifts, as well as the family encouraging that kind of behavior (going as far as to provide gift ideas, set up a PO Box to send gifts, and provide meet and greet passes to those delivering expensive gifts) has driven many of the fans away. The proof is in the fact that thedreadheads.com has far fewer members than daydreamingboy.com used to have. The fans trying to outdo each other with expensive gifts (like with the $2000 gift card) made many fans step away. The family should have said no to the gift drives…but that probably would never happen since they were telling family friends to ask fans to donate airline miles as early as March.

    When the fans are being talked about more than the artist, there’s definitely a problem.

  61. goldie63 permalink
    December 19, 2008 11:46 am

    Standalone, you have continually said having his family involved has hurt him. I for one don’t see what facts you are basing this on. It is a little difficult to rate a singers success, when he doesn’t have a cd out yet. He has had a couple of concerts and it appears that he is gaining a few new fans, but once again there is no way to evaluate it. I think most musicians feel that if they can make a living doing what they love that equals success.
    I don’t think it matters that Jason’s family is involved to most people, it really only matters to a few.
    If you are not a fan, why do you care if his family is involved?

  62. standalone permalink
    December 19, 2008 10:38 am

    Goldie, I wouldn’t call myself a fan of Jestro.
    I do watch AI and know a lot about the contestants, though.
    I don’t think anyone would knock someone for having a close and supportive family. Claudette Yamin is an excellent example of a parent that showed her love and support, without trying to manage her son’s career or fans.
    On the other hand, you have the McPhee’s and Jeff Archuleta that earned a reputation for crossing the line.
    I just think what impressed people the most about Jason Castro was his bold choices of performing Hallelujah and SOTR with the uke on a show like AI.
    What hurt him the most was when his family and their friends became overly involved with the fans, gifts, promoting and merchandising.

  63. goldie63 permalink
    December 19, 2008 2:20 am

    Standalone, one more thing, I for one think Jason has written some wonderful tunes. I hope others think so too.

  64. goldie63 permalink
    December 19, 2008 2:17 am

    Standalone, I don’t know that there is such excitement over Jakob Dylan or Dashboard. I think the point is Jason does have real management. I guess you will just have to get over the fact that Jason has a family he loves and he wants them to be a part of his life. I don’t think they are managing his career, but they certainly might play a part in his success.
    People will decide whether they like his music and want to support him. If you can’t handle the fact that his family is involved in his life you shouldn’t be a fan.

  65. standalone permalink
    December 19, 2008 12:33 am

    I don’t want to argue about Jakob Dylan.
    I do know he had 2 good tunes that had a lot of airplay, 8 yrs ago. Honestly, I haven’t heard his name since then and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was still a working musician. Obviously, the guy has connections.
    For Jestro’s sake, he needs any kind of professional management. I just don’t get the excitement over Jakob Dylan or Dashboard.
    Hey, I even think Jason Castro could have a successful career… IF family & friends aren’t running the show AND he writes some killer tunes. hehe

  66. goldie63 permalink
    December 18, 2008 9:48 am

    Standalone, do you realize that Jakob Dylan has been on Conan O’Brien Sept 23rd, Leno July 15th and Letterman June 11th this past year. I guess it’s only you that hasn’t heard him in the past 8 years. I think the millions that watch those shows have heard of him. Plus he has new music out now. I don’t think Jason is fucked!
    I guess since people are fans of Jason they might find his music brilliant it really doesn’t matter that you don’t think it is. I’m sure there is a musician you think is brilliant while others may not agree with you. Good thing people don’t all have to like the same music life would get pretty boring.

  67. standalone permalink
    December 17, 2008 10:49 pm

    “You guys do realize he has actual management, right? That is unless his family also manages Jakob Dylan and Dashboard Confessional as well.”

    Ray, I think you proved a point. I haven’t heard Jakob Dylan’s name or music in 8 years, and last year Dashboard Confessional had a gig at local community college.
    Sounds likes Jestro’s fucked.

    Oh… and I have no problem with Jason keeping his name out there with the free Christmas tune. What’s laughable are the hardcore fans that leave comments on Amazon like “genius” and “brilliant”.

  68. ray permalink
    December 16, 2008 12:59 am

    Hehe, I’ll agree with you on Sy. Don’t you love her inspirational wisdom? I love that most everyone has already forgotten about her, or that she even came in 3rd. Can’t imagine we’ll be hearing much from her.

    I was only annoyed that Brooke was never called for her stopping and starting. Instead the judges would treat her with kids gloves.

    Brooke has blogged, but that’s about it. She’s really given no details as to her plans.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 16, 2008 1:25 am

      I was explaining my stupid little blog to a coworker today she said something about Archie/Eunuch, like she knew that name and couldn’t remember if he won. I said, “No, he came in 2nd. And the guy with dreads came in 3rd.” I had forgotten about Coretta Scott Mercado’s existence and I made fun of her for at least 2 months. She’s a waste of a cool head of hair. No one will ever convince me she had that many people voting for her.

  69. ray permalink
    December 15, 2008 11:06 pm

    Wanted to add about what I meant about him at least keeping his fans entertained as compared to others is for instance Brooke. I was a Brooke fan on Idol and I still am. But while she’s written some blogs here and there, I’m pretty bored waiting around for her to announce or release something. You got to throw your fans a bone so they don’t wander off.

    No matter what Jason’s family may be up to, at least he gave me something to listen to, and yes, I like it. It’s not going to change lives, but it’s nice to listen to.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 16, 2008 12:48 am

      Isn’t she trying to be a model these days?

      I can only hope she records nothing. Well…you know what I mean. But I liked her less and less every week, the more she kept opening her mouth. Supposedly she’s in Nashville working on an album, but I haven’t paid too much attention to her. I can imagine it would take her quite a long time to record an album with all that stopping and starting 😉

      I think Coretta Scott Mercado blogs about how beautiful her life is…and how beautiful she is…and how beautiful her talent is…and…

  70. ray permalink
    December 15, 2008 11:01 pm

    I don’t really think it’s going to do much to bring in new fans. I agree there. But what I think it is doing is keeping his fans entertained while they wait for new music, which is more than I can say some of the other Idols are doing. One thing I do think Jason has done well, and you will probably disagree, is keep the majority of his fans on his side. I know there have been a few issues in the past and some have issues with Jason’s family, but the majority are still there plugging away.

    I also do think the free aspect also enticed some of the people who were interested in Jason on Idol, but aren’t necessarily hardcore fans. A lot of the hardcore Cook and Archie fans said they would download–on MJ’s Blog that is.

    I understand what you mean about Jason needing hipper fans and more fans if he wants to sustain a career, but having fans is better than not having fans at this point. At the very least, this release certainly is not doing anything to hurt him.

  71. Rachel_M permalink
    December 15, 2008 10:44 pm

    Ray,

    I don’t consider this mocking. I just posed the question to Top Idol as to whether this free song would help bring in new fans.

  72. ray permalink
    December 15, 2008 10:38 pm

    You guys do realize he has actual management, right? That is unless his family also manages Jakob Dylan and Dashboard Confessional as well.

    I find it weird that the fact that he’s giving his fans free music is even mockworthy. Numerous past Idols also have free Christmas downloads. Of course it’s partly a gift for fans and partly for other reasons. But that’s as it should be.

    Of course he’s also not going to give away free downloads of actual music that he would eventually put on a CD. What would be the point of that? That would be pretty damn stupid.

    Then again the fact that he’s been selling merch at his shows is pretty normal too, so I still don’t understand the big hoopla there.

    The more I see it just seems like the more people are reaching to find things to nitpick at.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 15, 2008 10:47 pm

      Actually, Ray, my original post wasn’t “nitpicking”. And yes, people sell merchandise, but he’s not Hello Kitty. He’s a musician. Musicians sell music. There seems to be such an emphasis with t-shirts and calendars and stickers and what not.

      I actually did read that about his management, but I would assume they probably weren’t very involved with the Garland show because it was in his hometown.

      Releasing an Xmas song for free isn’t that big a deal because of the shelf life. I’m not sure what other Idol contestants have done this, but I’m sure there have been several. There were also Idol contestants who sang on a free CD given out with ice cream.

      And Radiohead marketed their last release by opening up a window where fans could pay whatever they wanted, including $0. Sure, lots of people do it. But what will his version of White Xmas do to attract new fans?

  73. Rachel_M permalink
    December 15, 2008 9:58 pm

    You’re right that this seems to be aimed at his existing audience. Some of them have said how his rendition of White Christmas reminds them of their youth when they would listen to Bing Crosby’s version.

    I don’t get what his management (his family) are trying to do, other than wring the existing fanbase dry with merchandise sales. It would be refreshing to see a “Free Jason”, meaning to see him take off in a different direction in his career and gain younger, hipper fans. He can’t get very far with his existing fanbase.

    • TopIdol permalink
      December 15, 2008 10:31 pm

      There were BING CROSBY comparisons????

      I so hope he’s smoking a lot of green stuff.

  74. Rachel_M permalink
    December 15, 2008 9:41 pm

    Top Idol,

    What do you think about this song being available for free. Is it an astute and calculated move to gain new fans, or is it what his existing fans believe, merely a Christmas gift to them?

    • December 15, 2008 9:52 pm

      It is an astute and calculated move to gain new fans. Well, wait. I don’t know if I would call it astute, necessarily, as Xmas songs have a limited shelf life. And this kind of song is actually better geared to his EXISTING fan base. And I don’t know if I would call it a “gift”, per se, as his family may currently believe they can bring in more cash via merchandise like calendars and t-shirts.

      And if he was going to sing such an old standard, why not give it more than the uke treatment? He could have also sung it in Spanish, perhaps. That would have been a nice twist, possibly actually REACHING a new audience.

      It was probably also something which could be quickly recorded, plus, with it being free and having a limited shelf life (as well as being released 10 days before Xmas), the fact it costs ZERO dollars probably won’t mean much to his management, er, I mean family. Why weren’t any of his other original songs released for free? Exactly.

      In a way, it’s kind of like buying candy on February 15th or November 1st 🙂

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