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The Huffington Post’s Joe Vogel also writes Adam Lambert an open letter

November 18, 2009

Wow. Adam Lambert is getting more open letters than Lindsay Lohan. While I’ve understood the issues at the heart of the Out Magazine controversy, I suppose the only one I feel any which way about is 19E telling Out not to make Lambert seem “too gay”. Like why even go there?

Joe Vogel has constructed a handy plan Adam Lambert can consult whenever he wonders whether he is not-enough-gay. Vogel makes light of the situation from both sides of the coins. Sample thought:

10. And finally, as a “gay pioneer,” remember that we are “all counting on you not to mess this up.” No pressure. Gay salvation depends on your career path. As the gay pop culture prophet Perez Hilton warns, you can either be a cog for the mainstream music machine or the gay community. There are no other options. You cannot be complex, you cannot be both masculine and feminine, you cannot resist labels or boxes, you cannot experiment, you cannot form your own identity, you cannot just be. You must always match stereotypes, meet expectations. Of course, if you do slip up and need to come out again as a gay man, Out Magazine would be happy to provide the platform.

In actuality, my main issue is, naturally, with Lambert’s overzealous fanbase who have used this opportunity to tell openly gay men and women they are homophobes and/or self-loathing homosexuals. I cringe when I read some of the things said by naive Glamberts who now consider themselves to be experts on “being gay” just because they voted for a guy on a stupid reality TV show who, at least in my opinion, was never in the closet. Lambert may have never wanted to be a poster child for the gay rights movement, but he’s certainly created many gay activists out of women whose previous exposure was probably limited to syndicated reruns of Will & Grace. Their logic, of course, is a familiar one. You’re just JELLUS. And this is especially true if you are a gay man or women who does not believe Adam Lambert shits Ferrero Rocher and pees rainbows.

I think the real issue is resentment and jealousy. The gays who hate him IMO are bitter that he has the balls to do what perhaps they themselves have never been comfortable doing. Living unapologetically open… they use slurs like tranny and queen and make fun of his looks. If it were simply that they hated his music I could understand it but they hate him on a very personal level and that’s what so puzzling to me.

I don’t recall anyone ever calling Lambert a tranny. Just because you occasionally dress up in drag does not make one a tranny. Seriously, Glamberts/Sparkle Cows/Whoever you are, you should stop posting these sorts of things because its only making you look more stupid. And while I don’t doubt your intentions may be somewhat sincere, the more “gay activist” you try to appear, the more stupid you look.

And, um…they gay community came together and supported Kris Allen? Were they behind all those phones with AT&T, too. So Arkansas and the gay community got together to support Kris Allen. I mean the kid is pretty cute and I kind of like his music, but…where the hell are you getting this info, and why are gays now jellus Lambert haters?

This is what I don’t understand, too. And why did the gay community support Kris on Idol and not Adam who they “knew” to be gay.

I have not a clue….it just reminds me of what happened with the women’s lib issue. Everyone was clamoring for advancement for women….but once women became bosses the women under her did everything in their power to knock her off her perch. YMMV

Lambert added his own fuel to the fire yesterday via Twitter, where he “openly Tweeted” Out’s Editor-in-Chief Aaron Hicklin, author of the original Open Letter.

Dear Aaron, it’s def not that deep. Chill! Guess ya gotta get attention for the magazine. U too are at the mercy of the marketing machine.


(cont.) Until we have a meaningful conversation, perhaps you should refrain from projecting your publications’ agenda onto my career.

Lambert is right about one thing, and that’s both of them being at the mercy of the marketing machine. Hicklin wants to promote his magazine and Lambert (and 19E) want to promote Lambert’s career/album. And while I don’t think Out or Perez Hilton should try and make someone a gay activist against a person’s will (especially Perez Hilton, of all people), I still don’t agree with Lambert’s Idol-sanctioned handlers telling a LGBT magazine to make sure the article’s not “too-gay”. This was Out. Not Parade.

56 Comments leave one →
  1. Cookie permalink
    November 19, 2009 10:40 am

    Ok, I am a girl and I find Adam Lambert attractive. Why all the snarks because women find Adam attractive? Are we not suppose to find gay men attractive? Is that in gay the rule book? Attractive men are just attractive regardless of which team they play for. It is that simple.

    I don’t get the whole complaining about women fans and Adam Lambert? Don’t gay men want to be loved by the world just for who they are and not because they are gay? That is what is happening to Adam and yet, some in the gay community are not satisfied with that. Some want Adam’s head on a platter and want the women fans to go away. So, it’s not enough to be gay and talented–you have to also, not court women fans? Try selling CD’s with a sticker that says, “only to be sold to gay men” and see how far that will get ya!

    Why do women shout- out in defense when people are nasty about Adam Lambert? It’s not just about Adam, women are more compassionate period. Many have children who are gay and we share with gay people what it feels like to be considered second hand citizens due to being the wrong sex–female and have had fight our way to being respected even if we are females. It’s hard work and we appreciate what gay people go through because it is wrong to keep anyone down, period.

    Is “Out” angry because the RollingStone mag. sold it’s biggest cover this year due to Adam giving them his confession story first? Probably. It’s a tough world out there for magazines because many are going out of business and more than likely, this brutal put-down from “Out” comes down to “sales” and hurt feelings on the part of “Out” that they did not hit the big time with Adam’s first big confession story and cover shoot of his gay announcement, cha-ching.

    Why should “Out” have had a proprietary interview with Adam when he is a singer and RS Mag is a Music magazine and that is what he was trying to get across to people–his singing and yeah, btw, he is also “gay” but whatever, back to the singing.

    So, should Adam, after the AI contest–have put his efforts into celebrating his gay-ness in “Out” or go for the career-move and give the interview to RollingStone because he is a Singer–first and gay happens to be his orientation but it won’t pay the bills or satisfy his life long passion to be a performer.

    How many of us would deny our lifelong passion to be a super star and bow to the will of the Gay-Lords in the world and then possibly have to go crawl under a rock because we focused on being gay–right after we spent months showing the world we wanted to Sing big for a living! What a mixed message that would have been.

    All along–it seems like he is trying to say that he is a Singer who is gay and not the other way around.

    “Out” is all about promoting anything or anyone who is gay and that is fine but it is just a magazine and won’t pay anyone’s bills if they let “Out” tell them how to run their career. I would never take career advice from “Out” that is for sure. They only have one thing in mind and that is gay-promotion/magazine sales on the backs of those who make it big in the world. They want to hang the tag “gay” over their heads, put them on the cover, sell mags, and sit back and bask in the glow of a sharing a spotlight with a person who has worked their butt of making it in the world and now they grace the “Out” cover. Big deal.

  2. erinnnthered permalink
    November 19, 2009 7:23 am

    Okay, I’m coming out of lurkdom for this, and I’m posting with my regular mj nick too. For the record, I was not fond of some of Adam’s choices before this brouhaha, but I wanted him to succeed, and liked a few of the tracks from the album. Now, I could care less what happens to his career, and I think he’s a shallow douchebag. That’s from prior acts, plus this recent tweet. He needs to grow up and shut up.

    My point for coming out of lurkdom…

    That post reads like an orchestrated defense of the publicist. I mean, “The Source” actually said…

    …and Hicklin didn’t like Adam’s answers. So he cut them, and he decided to wank about 19E and make it Adam’s fault. Which to be honest, even if it went down just like Hicklin said, would not be Adam’s fault.

    Huh? So which is it? Hicklin made it look like it wasn’t Adam’s fault, but he was angry at Adam and wanted to make it look like his fault?

    The whole last half – or original convo – gets more and more into what the publicist did too. “The Source” seems to know a lot of specifics from the publicist’s side of things – except, of course, exactly what was said – but not a lot from Hicklin’s except admitted conjecture based upon previous experience. “The Source” also admitted never have met the interviewer, or being able to explain her actions in it, which he admitted don’t fit with his version of events.

    One point of hiss I stand by. The magazine business is in trouble, and Advocate just announced it’s going online only. The problem is, this makes OUT the banner pub for LPI. They need OUT to succeed. I’m sure this puts pressure on Hicklin, and I’m sure that was behind part of his reason to do what he did, when he did it.

    I also think that makes a heck of a lot more reasonable explanation than that Hicklin is bitter at Adam. He found an issue and pressed on it. He thought the readers would go after 19E, not Adam. Adam has made a point more than once to talk about gender roles and butch/femme, and perceptions, and this issue was directly related to that. Why wouldn’t he involve Adam, or at least his name? If Adam’s going to have an opinion, people are going to want to talk about it, and involve him when that same subject comes up. No having your cake, and eating it too.

    Adam could have been the poster boy, and been an object of sympathy. He chose to open his big mouth and make it about him instead of his ‘big, evil management company.” Anyone who tries to claim this was a direct attack on Adam ignores the argument before the Tweet for the sake of dismissing the argument created after it.

    …or is it that he “doesn’t give a shit about Adam”? I can’t figure out which argument this guy wants to make. He keeps going back and forth. That’s another reason this seems like an attempt to shift blame, and make Hicklin the bad guy instead of “big, evil 19E,” who do this all the time. Apparently that’s a reason not to get outraged. That they’ve done this before. Okay, then…

    I’m sounding about as schizo as that guy, and spouting my usual TL;DR, but whatever. I said my piece.

    • isidra permalink
      November 19, 2009 12:35 pm

      The thing about Hicklin being bitter doesn’t even make sense when you actually read his letter. Every criticism he has for Adam (esp. the Details shot, and the managers’ demands) he lays squarely at the feet of the management, and he emphasizes that he thinks Adam is important and significant as a performer who is openly gay at the start of his career.

      The guy does all but wave an “I love Adam Lambert” banner.

      • erinnnthered permalink
        November 19, 2009 5:34 pm


        All this posturing is so ridiculous.

  3. wickedlydark permalink
    November 19, 2009 4:16 am

    Saw this earlier on a tard site (ontd_ai to be specific) and actually thought it was interesting, given the controversy stirred up here. They probably won’t like this, but I’m pasting it anyway:


    So today I had an interesting phone convo with Someone Who Knows Things About the ADAM/OUT KERFUFFLE. This source, who I’ll call Source, was so interesting that I called his ass back and said “Tell me things. Enquiring benches have a right to know.”

    So he told me things on condition of anonymity, I wrote them down, and you can read about ’em after the cut.

    Here is the text of the interview. My source is in magazine publishing, knows people at OUT, and is apparently acquainted with Adam’s publicist. This guy would so get fired if anyone knew who he was, so I will not be providing corroborative evidence. All interview comments are his *opinion*, and mods said it was okay to post this, so please feel free to call him a douche if his opinion hurts your butt. In the Godly way, of course.

    You don’t want me to identify you, right?

    Right. And keep in mind all this is my opinion based on who and what I know. I wasn’t there.

    You’re sure, cause you know pics or it didn’t happen…

    That’s exactly what I’m saying. 19E are assholes, of course. Everyone knows that. But the publicist, who is an acquaintance of mine, is pretty cool. Those pre-interview “thou shalt nots”, those aren’t usually recorded. So if Shana has him on tape, that would be weird and stink of set-up. If she doesn’t, then it’s her word against the Evil Empire. Everyone loves the underdog.

    So you don’t think it’s likely Adam’s guy said to tone down his gay.

    Oh, I’m sure he said “let’s not get all Prop 8 up in here” and “leave the march out of it”. Because Lambert’s not in the business of interviewing his politics. He seems like more of an artistic person who’s gonna want to focus on his album. But sure, it’s OUT, they’re gonna make it political and rouse the masses. So if Roger said “let’s not make it too faggy” or whatever, he would have done that only in the context that Lambert is already out, let’s not pass the Harvey Milk torch right this second. Keep the focus on the artist, not the agenda. You knew the publicist was gay right?

    Yeah, I read that this morning. But dude. This sounds like you’re making it okay even if the gay-gay thing was said.

    It’s about context. It’s also about manipulation. See, what you’re not getting is that the magazine is not pissed about 19E saying Adam doesn’t want to be the flag-waver here. It’s not even about that. That’s just window dressing. It’s sleight of hand.

    Or sleight-of-bitch.

    Now you got it. See, Hicklin reads. He understands that, like, the Details shoot, that got people all up in arms. Was 19E trying to de-gay their Capital Gay, was Adam selling out, was it art, what? People didn’t really get it. Kinda like a lot of people don’t get that atrocity of an album cover. (my note: HDU, source. H D U).

    Hicklin got it though. He got that Lambert is a ground-breaker. And originally, when the article was first planned, no doubt he was looking for more ground-breaking, and then Adam was all “fuck you, I’m a musician, and I gotta cover my ass here” about it, and Hicklin didn’t like Adam’s answers. So he cut them, and he decided to wank about 19E and make it Adam’s fault. Which to be honest, even if it went down just like Hicklin said, would not be Adam’s fault. Your boy is a product, and he knows that, and he has to work that.

    Hicklin said they (19E) were very hard to work with and wanted Adam on the cover as a group, with a straight woman.

    Bullshit. That’s smoke and mirrors. 19E is always a bitch to handle, but Cyndi Lauper deserves to be in that issue – she’s been an activist for us forever. They could easily have done an Adam solo cover but they weren’t gonna do that for the OUT 100, that’s almost always a group shot. In fact I don’t remember one where it wasn’t. Lambert has that Gaga factor, the love or hate thing? And to be honest a lot of gay men don’t love him. And then there’s the Glambert factor.

    Which is?

    People hate the Glamberts, the hardcore Adam fans, like they hated Clay Aiken’s fans. But here’s the thing, those women buy magazines with their boy on the cover.

    I think Hicklin wanted a solo cover, he couldn’t get one done between Idol and the album drop. But then, you have a tanking economy, the death of print media, and suddenly he’s not gonna get that solo cover or his major political interview with Lambert in time to save his ass or his magazine. So Hicklin has a lot of pressure to spin, to put out something that will turn heads and get people talking. And the internet is talking now.

    I just don’t think Hicklin anticipated the backlash from Lambert’s fanbase. More likely he was hoping for a big “fuck you 19E and fuck you Adam Lambert” response, which would have allowed him to have Adam in for yet another interview and that solo cover, which would sell shit tons of copies. See?

    You really think that’s how it went down, that it was all planned out like that? Because Shana seems like a good writer and a nice person from what I can tell.

    She’s a very good writer. I don’t know her well, and I’m not saying she’s a big fat liar. I think she asked Adam the questions she wanted to ask, and I doubt if she expected to have to defend herself and her boss. Her writeup was pretty nice to Adam, she obviously likes him. But she knows what’s up, and she doesn’t want OUT to tank either. She needs her job just like Hicklin does.

    Okay, I’m kinda done whoring myself out now, so last question. Who fucked up here?

    Hicklin, only in his world, he didn’t really. And you know 19E has such a record of asshattedness that he almost got away with it, because it’s totally plausible that 19 would try to de-gay their Gay. They did it with Aiken. Where he sort of not really fucked up was going to town on Lambert the way he did, because it didn’t go over well and might have cost him some sales.

    Oohohh, okay, NOW last question. What will 19E do about this?

    Not much, probably. There’s no such thing as bad publicity. Lambert’s getting press over it, so they’ll be the bad guy, God knows they deserve it for some of the shit they’ve pulled. They don’t care. Just like Aaron Hicklin is laughing all the way to the bank. OUT never gets this much press. He’s probably in a meeting right now talking about how all this press can only be a good thing, and the magazine is relevant and viable and all the shit you say when you’re trying to save something. You watch. He’ll try to get Lambert in for that followup. With a solo cover.

    ETA for background: the text of my first conversation with Source, prior to my informal interview:

    (My source) says that Hicklin deliberately waited until over a month after the interview to write his “open letter”, and that said letter was deliberately constructed and worded in an inflammatory way to stir shit. My client maintains that Adam was never contacted personally (to his knowledge) by Hicklin or Krochmal about “what may or may not have actually been said”, nor was Adam warned about the editorial in advance. Adam got the same notice as the rest of the world – none.

    My source says that the publicist apparently did warn Krochmal away from the march and uber-political topics, that this is normal and accepted among interviewers and subjects of any orientation, and that the subject was brought up to Adam in the interview. My source says that the request was “not bloody likely” made in the terms OUT said it was, but because it was verbal, “no witnesses mean OUT can say whatever it wants regardless of what was actually said.”

    But here’s where it gets interesting. Apparently, my client says, Aaron Hicklin deliberately chose to cut out Adam’s answers to the relevant questions in the print run of OUT. My client also says that Hicklin deliberately timed his “big gay flounce at the big gay publicist and the big gay Adam” because OUT is losing money hand over fist and may very soon go under.

    Direct quote: “Hicklin has done this kind of thing before. It’s Perez-like. Nobody at that magazine thought Adam’s people were doing anything unusual, because it’s standard practice for any publicist to give a list of things the artist doesn’t want to discuss. Adam apparently has no filter and talked openly, so Hicklin cut his answers because they made him look like less of a puppet. Hicklin’s in danger of losing his job, OUT is very probably on the way out, and this is a last-ditch effort to move some copies off the shelves and make the magazine at least appear to be gaining some ground. And it will move copies and get people talking, and that makes OUT look more salvageable. Hicklin doesn’t give a shit about Adam Lambert – he’s in this to make bank, and he’ll sell whatever shit he has to sell to get people pissed enough to buy it. It’s just.. he’s not that good at it, or he would have done it a hell of a lot better.”

    So.. take it or don’t, but that’s what my source had to offer.

    • Isidra permalink
      November 19, 2009 7:38 am

      If it’s true, it would definitely change things. But I’m awfully skeptical of this nameless source ostensibly provided by a fan of the singer on a fansite.

      The folks at Out don’t really have a lot of reason to lie (exaggerate, possibly, but honestly, if they really want a scandal, there’s a lot about Adam to exaggerate and use) and their names and professional reputations are attached. I have to say, I find that a lot more credible than an anonymous source.

      Especially these days, when everyone and their mom knows how to make a good sockpuppet.

  4. Sherena permalink
    November 19, 2009 2:42 am

    Sry, I had some rage there… Also lol at how totally balanced all the responses here are, while it’s Adam’s fans that are actually the ones who are angry at him this time…

  5. Sherena permalink
    November 19, 2009 2:37 am

    “You cannot be complex, you cannot be both masculine and feminine, you cannot resist labels or boxes, you cannot experiment, you cannot form your own identity, you cannot just be. You must always match stereotypes, meet expectations.”

    Exactly. The people who want him to be the Gay Messiah are just as guilty of putting him into a box as the people who want him to act “straight.”

    Before Hicklin’s article came out, did anyone seriously feel like Adam’s management was trying to hide his gay? Um, album cover for one thing. And the interviews. Oh, except WAIT, Hicklin edited out the part of the interview where Adam actually TALKS ABOUT HIS SEXUALITY very openly and articulately, and what he feels he stands for, which is no labels. Because that kind of goes against your image of Adam-as-a-puppet, huh…

  6. Sherena permalink
    November 19, 2009 2:32 am

    I just found out that Hicklin was the dick who used stock photos of Anderson Cooper and Jodie Foster as a magazine cover to “out” them and cause controversy.

    Plus Out is falling in sales and he needs to cover his ass so…

    Yeah, to me his credibility is shot.

  7. sosad permalink
    November 19, 2009 12:37 am

    who cares if he’s gay or not anymore?
    so boring.

  8. lauren722 permalink
    November 19, 2009 12:18 am

    *Sigh* Why did Adam have to respond like that? Why does he always get so defensive? Did any of you see the mini Q&A in Rolling Stones where he called Gene Simmons a dick and said he wasn’t that good of a singer? Oh well I guess being blunt is better than lying. I really enjoyed Vogel’s letter. It’s sad though. Why DOES Adam have to be an activist? Why is 19E so retarded?
    Anyway, LOLz to the gay’s supporting Kris. That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Since the entire gay community didn’t fawn over Adam, THEY MUST BE SECRET KRIS FANS!!!!! OMG!!!
    And yes Adam has been called a tranny. But by ignorant straight people who think that wearing makeup means your a drag queen, not by the gay community.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 19, 2009 12:59 am

      Most gay guys I know would rather tap HBD’s ass. And the only man who should ever be with Lambert is Diva Kalina. (Or maybe Johnny Weir…but Diva K is my first choice.)

      • kimberly permalink
        November 19, 2009 1:53 am

        Most gay guys I know would rather tap HBD’s ass. — top idol

        He does have a certain appeal. Approachable and adorable, maybe?

      • deez permalink
        November 19, 2009 2:26 am

        We’ve gone a long time without DivaK. Can he not sense our deprivation?

    • Sherena permalink
      November 19, 2009 2:38 am

      IA. Adam gets too defensive. I think he’s just too sensitive. Hopefully he’ll learn and get a tougher skin soon.

  9. lurker permalink
    November 18, 2009 10:54 pm

    “Guess ya gotta get attention for the magazine.”

    Like you can talk you fame whore fatty.God he makes my skin crawl with his cocky bitchiness
    SHUT THE FUCK UP you pompous ass.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 18, 2009 11:23 pm

      You should tweet that to him and then wait for his reply. Let me know.

      • lurker permalink
        November 18, 2009 11:26 pm

        I would but I don’t have twitter

  10. Nicole permalink
    November 18, 2009 10:29 pm

    I loved this Huffington Post article. Ha. It was priceless.

  11. 8sourcandy permalink
    November 18, 2009 9:46 pm

    Sort of off topic:

    TOP IDOL, guess who DID make the 100 sexiest men issue of people. So, either the Sparkle Cows stampeded the offices of People Magazine or good taste prevailed!

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 18, 2009 9:49 pm

      Quit tarding. They also had Daughtry on there. Yawn. And I’ve just never wanted to have sex with Johnny Depp. Can’t explain it. Anyway…was Jon Hamm on there?

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 18, 2009 10:07 pm

        I got that tidbit from an Adam Fan site . And I am a TARD! 🙂 Here’s the proof!

        The IT department at work sent an email stating that a folder titled: “Lambert”
        had to be removed from the graphics server because it was slowing down the computers and ask me to come pick up my 8 discs of pics.

        I was so embarrassed.

        • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
          November 18, 2009 10:24 pm

          Watch out, Smartie’s comin’ for ya. 🙂

          • Nicole permalink
            November 18, 2009 10:28 pm

            Yeah. I think Johnny Depp is a good actor but he never did anything for me in the looks department either. Ohhh well, we all have different tastes.

          • 8sourcandy permalink
            November 18, 2009 11:00 pm

            Smartie doesn’t scare me! 🙂

            Smartie is a tard too. He/she is a tard of Sparkle Cows. Completely obsessed. Follows their every move. Quotes them at every turn.
            Lives, sleeps and breathes their glittery dust.

        • TopIdol permalink
          November 18, 2009 10:28 pm

          Sweetheart, why are you tarding at work? We’re in a recession! No one is safe.

          • 8sourcandy permalink
            November 18, 2009 10:50 pm

            I don’t know! I never even look at them. It’s like kleptomania, I see a photo I have to have it.

      • girl from mars permalink
        November 19, 2009 9:08 am

        Sweet, more Johnny Depp for me then!

        • TopIdol permalink
          November 19, 2009 9:09 am

          You will have to fight for him with my friend Karin, who dressed as an Oompa for Halloween in 2003 after it was announced he would be doing Charlie & the Chocolate Factory with Tim Burton. She was the best damn Oompa EVER. I need to get a photo. I don’t think she knits, though, or can knit L. Anne Carrington TOM accessories, so you’ve got one up on her.

  12. 8sourcandy permalink
    November 18, 2009 9:15 pm

    I loved the Huffington Post article. I loved Adam’s tweet. I love all the “GAY” supporters who are with Adam on this issue.

    FOR THE RECORD! I hate 19E. I think the sooner Adam is able to extract himself from that situation the better. Not because they are controlling him, but because they are too commercial. He would enjoy more credibility by creating his art in a more organic, less conforming way.

    Having said that:
    No one knows for sure what transpired. All we have is a he said, she said dialogue. Adam is a pawn between these two entities each vying for his soul. (or at least his money-maker)

    19E made the decision to have Adam pose for Details Magazine that targets a fashion savvy male audience. 19E ok’d that he pose with a naked woman in a hetero-erotic way. This outraged many gay activists. (personally, because the article was from the view point of him being the “fantasy” of women, that scenario did make sense.) OUT was not given the “coming out” story either.

    So maybe, just maybe they are a little bitter about those two things.

    I maintain my biggest peeve about this whole sorted affair is that it has and is overshadowing the accomplishments the magazine is suppose to be celebrating.
    That letter should have waited until the next issue!

  13. blacklisted permalink
    November 18, 2009 4:28 pm

    “I still don’t agree with Lambert’s Idol-sanctioned handlers telling a LGBT magazine to make sure the article’s not “too-gay”.”

    That’s the issue in a nutshell. I can’t even go to mjs. Those stupid fucking twats going on about how ‘gays’ are this or that is pissing me off. If these dumb bitches said, ‘blacks are all’ this or that, I would hope that the dumb cunts would be called out. Alas, all of us queers are the same and we all think alike, act alike, hate alike, blah blah blah. Yeah, well then I guess I’m speaking for all New Yorkers, queers, women, 30-something year olds, singles, agnostics, professionals, heel wearing, brunettes….and tell them to shut their ignorant pie hole.

    19E messed up. I don’t blame OUT for calling them on it. I don’t blame Adam for what his publicist did.

    I also wish that Adam had not tweeted a response to Aaron. I can understand why he did it but I think that his staying quiet would have forced 19E to deal with the situation. It would have also led to more sympathy for Adam’s plight in having to work under dumb asses.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 18, 2009 9:24 pm

      Maybe his management MADE HIM tweet that!

      • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
        November 18, 2009 10:23 pm

        If so, his management are even bigger asshats than I thought.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 18, 2009 11:08 pm

      I dropped by Musto, just to see the Glitter fly. Clearly, Musto doesn’t follow Idol blogs, because he was trying to defend himself, even acquiescing. Then someone posted a “Sparkle Cow” alert and he stopped responding.

  14. Mahme22 permalink
    November 18, 2009 3:38 pm

    It’s interesting to note that the publicist that Adam has ( Roger W.- who is gay, btw ) is the same publicist that Clay Aiken had. Roger also told the gay rags that Clay would not talk to any gay publications. I hope Adam is paying attention when he sees Roger is “helping” his career just as he did Clay’s.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 18, 2009 3:48 pm

      So no one is calling Roger W. a self-hating homosexual?

  15. isidra permalink
    November 18, 2009 3:34 pm

    I liked the Huffington Post article. It’s a good satire/rebuttal to Hicklin’s letter.

    I winced when I read Adam’s tweets though. Those statements may well turn off a lot of people who would otherwise be on the fence about him. At least the ones who aren’t running screaming from the crazier fans.

  16. spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
    November 18, 2009 3:16 pm

    I am kinda sick of all the Adam coverage. I know he probably sells a lot of mags because of his crazy fan base, but he is becoming a little too Kate/Jon or Spiedi. People loved Kate/Jon Goselin, but now people can’t stand them and are sick of seeing them. This might be Adam’s fate.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 18, 2009 3:34 pm

      Overexposure…hmmm…interesting theory. Perhaps it is too much exposure before his album’s release? As opposed to typical promotional stuff?

      • kimberly permalink
        November 19, 2009 1:47 am

        “Perhaps it is too much exposure before his album’s release?” –Top Idol

        I suppose it depends on how much people outside the Idol bubble know or have seen. There’s a picture right now of Adam on AOL news or entertainment or some sh*t talking about the OUT thing. I didn’t read it, yet. I certainly am oversaturated.

        And just a bit on the tweet or twat as Adam perfers to call it — saying it’s def not that deep might piss off gay rights activists. I’m thinking that they might feel the opposite. Has there been any backlash for the tweet?

  17. deez permalink
    November 18, 2009 1:24 pm

    Blah. I just don’t get all this. Adam on the cover sells the magazine. Adam’s music sells the CD. What’s the problem…for some he’s “too gay”, for others, “not gay enough”. (which is a ridiculous statement) Obviously, whatever he’s doing is working for him. Why change it, why would they want to? As previously stated, he was never in the closet. “Out” making him look too gay wouldn’t be an epiphany to anyone. We’ve already seen all the photos, so it doesn’t really matter for “appearances” sake as far as 19E is concerned, right? As far as PH wanting him to be some kind of spokesman or something…he’s said he doesn’t want to. How could one person take that on anyway? I think that’s probably a good thing for a spokesman to get across.

    Adam is Adam. Both sides of the argument are ignoring the gray areas, the HuffPo article was well-stated.

    • tinawina permalink
      November 18, 2009 2:42 pm

      Actually, one of the tings I like about Adam is that he isn’t easy to pigeonhole in that regard. He’s fine talking about making out with girls and he’s fine being photographed tounging down his boyfriend. He’s an interesting character to me. I wanted his music to be that interesting. But so far, stuff like this controversy is the most compelling thing he has going on.

  18. Mithra permalink
    November 18, 2009 1:21 pm

    The windbags on MJ’s have gone from really bad to worse if it’s at all possible. I don’t even dare take a peek at TWoP. They were even ranting about Gloria Steinam yesterday.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 18, 2009 1:49 pm


      So when are the Glamberts going to be holding hands as they walk through the streets singing “We Shall Overcome”? Is there a 1000 Glambert March coming up?

      • Mithra permalink
        November 18, 2009 2:20 pm

        More like a stampede and they’ll take down the Washington Monument…

        Another thing that Adam tweeted which was STUPID is a link to one of his fanboards defenses. Bad move. Fans outside the AI fanlandia, if you will, are already saying they will not buy his CD now and can’t stand him any more because of his fans, and now HIM being a big headhead douchebag. Comments on ontd and Perez have been quite negative from people saying they used to like him.

        • Smartie permalink
          November 18, 2009 5:39 pm

          Teehee. Hobbit 2.0.

          • kimberly permalink
            November 19, 2009 1:37 am

            Teehee. Hobbit 2.0. — smartie

            Is that Clay? Do we see a 2012 in someone’s future?

            • Mithra permalink
              November 19, 2009 2:59 am

              Hobbit is Pocket Tool aka Blake Lewis aka Kate Goslin’s bloated even fuglier twin. In case you don’t know, here’s a Cliff Notes version:

              Second only to Constantcrap in douchebaggery, but now has apparently gone to AA and found Bill and Bob and is all thankful and tweets weird shit. He was rude as hell to his fans and thought he would sell 5 million CDs because they were all creaming over him on tour and on the tard boards during Idol as if he was some musical genius who looked like Brad Pit because people who tard over Idol need to have their eyes and brains checked. His fanbase was as rude and arrogant as he was. Caketards were the original Kradam tinhatters. Blake barely sold 300,000 copies of his CD, which has an even worse cover than Adam’s. His follow up sold 4,000 copies the debut week. He makes his living being a DJ and now has to suck up to Idol to get the same caliber gigs as another second placer, Sideshow Guarini. He went on a radio tour while his CD was flopping dissing Clive Davis, AI, 19E, and bragging about locking Sanjaya in a closet and making him his bitch on tour. Once he went broke and the FAIL was obvious, he tried a little too late to play nice. His street team are still being assholes though 😀 He also owes a shitload in back taxes to the IRS because he overspent.

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 20, 2009 12:14 am

        Can you imagine the Tard signage at the event?

  19. on the edge permalink
    November 18, 2009 12:34 pm

    Adam, I want to like you, but when you pull Tweets like that, *sigh*. I’m on the fence. I’m appalled that 19M pulled what they did (if the Out people are being accurate and the words used were, in fact, “not too gay-gay”), but I’m just as appalled that Out made the statements they did in the same issue. I loved the Huff Post piece because I’ve known way too many gay people to know it is NOT a monolithic entitiy…lipstick lezzies, drag queens, pre-op transexuals, football players, choir boys, Presbyterian ministers, and one guy who was such a Republican racist sexist asshole that if he weren’t gay he’d probably be homophobic. You know, all of this could have been avoided WAY back in March or so, when the VFTW/kissy pics showed up on O’Reilly. If Adam had just told Ryan offhandedly, “I’m not ashamed, and if people can’t handle that I’m gay, tough…now lets sing!” See? Just make it a throw-away, not-a-big-deal comment. The day we reach equality is the day gay people don’t have to make some official formal public proclamation of their orientation or feel they have to be the “first,” the “groundbreaker,” or have to carry a flag for the cause, etc. In the meantime my sister is still stuck in the fucking closet because she lives in the GD South, which I can tell you has NOT changed they just got better at hiding their prejudice. I feel a tanget coming on so I’d better stop typing on that subject…

    As to Adam’s record: I like a few of the songs from FYE, mainly the slow stuff but…I couldn’t listen to “Music Again” all the way through. It was like the worst of Styx, Jefferson Starship and an 80’s ski resort teen sex comedy rolled into one.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 18, 2009 11:21 pm

      Am I the only one who liked the tweet?

      I thought is was a little snarky, but I like snaky. It also suggested a “meaningful” conversation. (Let’s see if OUT cashes in on that offer)

      I do think he had to say something.

    • kimberly permalink
      November 19, 2009 1:36 am

      “and one guy who was such a Republican racist sexist asshole that if he weren’t gay he’d probably be homophobic.” — on the edge

      priceless! see me laughing? well, I am.

  20. tinawina permalink
    November 18, 2009 12:22 pm

    I am so with you on this. I said pretty much the same thing yesterday at mjs. I just cant get with this idea that a bunch of (mostly) straight women get to angrily pile on gay people, telling them the “right’ way to feel about the handling of Adam’s image by his management. I get disagreeing, I don’t get the self righteous lecturing and massively judgmental behavior.

  21. auntieaimee permalink
    November 18, 2009 12:15 pm

    “Guess ya gotta get attention for the magazine.”

    Oh, Adam, please shut up. Witless responses like that make you sound like a pompous jerkwad. Let your publicist respond.

  22. kimberly permalink
    November 18, 2009 10:57 am

    Funny stuff. Adam is now a victim of the mainstream and the gay community. Reminds of the lyrics “stuck in the middle with you …” YOU being the lovely glamberts, I suppose.

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