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Conspiracy Theories Abound! Adam Lambert–19E–Out Magazine

November 19, 2009

Oh, the know-it-alls at ONTD_AI (they always know SOMEONE in the industry, whether or not this is true, who knows…they did get those scans, which most likely was someone who worked for Details or whenever they print. Hell, I have no clue how this fan group even came about or how many of them there are.) posted this conspiracy theory / inside knowledge / tinhatting (they like that word) stuff. Who knows.

They also use the word benches which is obnoxious. But I think its probably all of LiveJournal and not just ONTD_AI that has their own ridiculous dialect and jargon. Ugh. I roll my eyes every time. Anyway, I digress. It’s still early…

WD sent this over to me and I thought I would post it, given as I can go to work safe knowing I will be getting hits all day on an early-morning Adam Lambert post.

So today I had an interesting phone convo with Someone Who Knows Things About the ADAM/OUT KERFUFFLE. This source, who I’ll call Source, was so interesting that I called his ass back and said “Tell me things. Enquiring benches have a right to know.”

So he told me things on condition of anonymity, I wrote them down, and you can read about ‘em after the cut.

Here is the text of the interview. My source is in magazine publishing, knows people at OUT, and is apparently acquainted with Adam’s publicist. This guy would so get fired if anyone knew who he was, so I will not be providing corroborative evidence. All interview comments are his *opinion*, and mods said it was okay to post this, so please feel free to call him a douche if his opinion hurts your butt. In the Godly way, of course.

You don’t want me to identify you, right?

Right. And keep in mind all this is my opinion based on who and what I know. I wasn’t there.

You’re sure, cause you know pics or it didn’t happen…

That’s exactly what I’m saying. 19E are assholes, of course. Everyone knows that. But the publicist, who is an acquaintance of mine, is pretty cool. Those pre-interview “thou shalt nots”, those aren’t usually recorded. So if Shana has him on tape, that would be weird and stink of set-up. If she doesn’t, then it’s her word against the Evil Empire. Everyone loves the underdog.

So you don’t think it’s likely Adam’s guy said to tone down his gay.

Oh, I’m sure he said “let’s not get all Prop 8 up in here” and “leave the march out of it”. Because Lambert’s not in the business of interviewing his politics. He seems like more of an artistic person who’s gonna want to focus on his album. But sure, it’s OUT, they’re gonna make it political and rouse the masses. So if Roger said “let’s not make it too faggy” or whatever, he would have done that only in the context that Lambert is already out, let’s not pass the Harvey Milk torch right this second. Keep the focus on the artist, not the agenda. You knew the publicist was gay right?

Yeah, I read that this morning. But dude. This sounds like you’re making it okay even if the gay-gay thing was said.

It’s about context. It’s also about manipulation. See, what you’re not getting is that the magazine is not pissed about 19E saying Adam doesn’t want to be the flag-waver here. It’s not even about that. That’s just window dressing. It’s sleight of hand.

Or sleight-of-bitch.

Now you got it. See, Hicklin reads. He understands that, like, the Details shoot, that got people all up in arms. Was 19E trying to de-gay their Capital Gay, was Adam selling out, was it art, what? People didn’t really get it. Kinda like a lot of people don’t get that atrocity of an album cover. (my note: HDU, source. H D U).

Hicklin got it though. He got that Lambert is a ground-breaker. And originally, when the article was first planned, no doubt he was looking for more ground-breaking, and then Adam was all “fuck you, I’m a musician, and I gotta cover my ass here” about it, and Hicklin didn’t like Adam’s answers. So he cut them, and he decided to wank about 19E and make it Adam’s fault. Which to be honest, even if it went down just like Hicklin said, would not be Adam’s fault. Your boy is a product, and he knows that, and he has to work that.

Hicklin said they (19E) were very hard to work with and wanted Adam on the cover as a group, with a straight woman.

Bullshit. That’s smoke and mirrors. 19E is always a bitch to handle, but Cyndi Lauper deserves to be in that issue – she’s been an activist for us forever. They could easily have done an Adam solo cover but they weren’t gonna do that for the OUT 100, that’s almost always a group shot. In fact I don’t remember one where it wasn’t. Lambert has that Gaga factor, the love or hate thing? And to be honest a lot of gay men don’t love him. And then there’s the Glambert factor.

Which is?

People hate the Glamberts, the hardcore Adam fans, like they hated Clay Aiken’s fans. But here’s the thing, those women buy magazines with their boy on the cover.

I think Hicklin wanted a solo cover, he couldn’t get one done between Idol and the album drop. But then, you have a tanking economy, the death of print media, and suddenly he’s not gonna get that solo cover or his major political interview with Lambert in time to save his ass or his magazine. So Hicklin has a lot of pressure to spin, to put out something that will turn heads and get people talking. And the internet is talking now.

I just don’t think Hicklin anticipated the backlash from Lambert’s fanbase. More likely he was hoping for a big “fuck you 19E and fuck you Adam Lambert” response, which would have allowed him to have Adam in for yet another interview and that solo cover, which would sell shit tons of copies. See?

You really think that’s how it went down, that it was all planned out like that? Because Shana seems like a good writer and a nice person from what I can tell.

She’s a very good writer. I don’t know her well, and I’m not saying she’s a big fat liar. I think she asked Adam the questions she wanted to ask, and I doubt if she expected to have to defend herself and her boss. Her writeup was pretty nice to Adam, she obviously likes him. But she knows what’s up, and she doesn’t want OUT to tank either. She needs her job just like Hicklin does.

Okay, I’m kinda done whoring myself out now, so last question. Who fucked up here?

Hicklin, only in his world, he didn’t really. And you know 19E has such a record of asshattedness that he almost got away with it, because it’s totally plausible that 19 would try to de-gay their Gay. They did it with Aiken. Where he sort of not really fucked up was going to town on Lambert the way he did, because it didn’t go over well and might have cost him some sales.

Oohohh, okay, NOW last question. What will 19E do about this?

Not much, probably. There’s no such thing as bad publicity. Lambert’s getting press over it, so they’ll be the bad guy, God knows they deserve it for some of the shit they’ve pulled. They don’t care. Just like Aaron Hicklin is laughing all the way to the bank. OUT never gets this much press. He’s probably in a meeting right now talking about how all this press can only be a good thing, and the magazine is relevant and viable and all the shit you say when you’re trying to save something. You watch. He’ll try to get Lambert in for that followup. With a solo cover.

ETA for background: the text of my first conversation with Source, prior to my informal interview:

(My source) says that Hicklin deliberately waited until over a month after the interview to write his “open letter”, and that said letter was deliberately constructed and worded in an inflammatory way to stir shit. My client maintains that Adam was never contacted personally (to his knowledge) by Hicklin or Krochmal about “what may or may not have actually been said”, nor was Adam warned about the editorial in advance. Adam got the same notice as the rest of the world – none.

My source says that the publicist apparently did warn Krochmal away from the march and uber-political topics, that this is normal and accepted among interviewers and subjects of any orientation, and that the subject was brought up to Adam in the interview. My source says that the request was “not bloody likely” made in the terms OUT said it was, but because it was verbal, “no witnesses mean OUT can say whatever it wants regardless of what was actually said.”

But here’s where it gets interesting. Apparently, my client says, Aaron Hicklin deliberately chose to cut out Adam’s answers to the relevant questions in the print run of OUT. My client also says that Hicklin deliberately timed his “big gay flounce at the big gay publicist and the big gay Adam” because OUT is losing money hand over fist and may very soon go under.

Direct quote: “Hicklin has done this kind of thing before. It’s Perez-like. Nobody at that magazine thought Adam’s people were doing anything unusual, because it’s standard practice for any publicist to give a list of things the artist doesn’t want to discuss. Adam apparently has no filter and talked openly, so Hicklin cut his answers because they made him look like less of a puppet. Hicklin’s in danger of losing his job, OUT is very probably on the way out, and this is a last-ditch effort to move some copies off the shelves and make the magazine at least appear to be gaining some ground. And it will move copies and get people talking, and that makes OUT look more salvageable. Hicklin doesn’t give a shit about Adam Lambert – he’s in this to make bank, and he’ll sell whatever shit he has to sell to get people pissed enough to buy it. It’s just.. he’s not that good at it, or he would have done it a hell of a lot better.”

So.. take it or don’t, but that’s what my source had to offer.

What do you think? True or not true, the Glamberts still get a bad rap, now being mentioned in the same breath as the Claymates. Idle speculation, perhaps, especially from a potentially dubious source, but hey, go to town. This story has almost reached its expiration date. But is this just another way the other Glamberts-who-think-they-are-not-Glamberts are defending their crown prince and exonerating him of all blame, but more importantly, absolving the PUBLICIST–Roger something-or-another, a gay male living from Los Angeles–of everything? Do you think that’s even a big deal? And seriously, is this story even true?

But will any of this actually affect whether or not you buy Adam Lambert’s album?

60 Comments leave one →
  1. 8sourcandy permalink
    November 21, 2009 10:26 am

    Final thoughts on this topic.

    My gut reaction to this letter was on point. I was disgusted my Hicklin’s misogynistic and hetero-phobic rant. This is his agenda. Not the agenda of the GLBT community at large and his assertion that he represented US, clearly demonstrates he is both narcissistic and delusional. He is not the voice or conscience of the gay community. He represents an antiquated mindset of conformity. Perhaps if he was more progressive in his thinking his publication wouldn’t need to be so desperate. His most reprehensible act was in sullying the accomplishments of everyone in that issue by making it all about him.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 21, 2009 10:39 am

      I will never understand why I fail to see typos until after I hit REPLY.

  2. Smartie permalink
    November 20, 2009 12:47 am

    Ha ha ha. I was never going to buy that crap the first place. 70% (86 votes)


    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 21, 2009 10:37 am

      Yes, Smartie, that poll is the barometer in which Mr. Lambert’s career will be determined. Top Idol is penning a letter at this very moment notifying him of his failure and asking that he turn in his glitter dust and sock. Clearly, when 70% of 47 posters indicate that they are determined to not buy your album, your career is over.

      Perhaps you would enjoy the pleasure of informing the greater Glambert nation that their Rawk God has exhausted his fifteen minutes and they need to move on.

  3. sosad permalink
    November 20, 2009 12:31 am

    so much drama.
    if nothing else, Lambert is a huge cash-cow & 19E is cashing in while they can.
    it’s getting way too ridiculous though.
    He & his handlers are going to have to start worrying about a lot more than gayness & glamberts if they haven’t started to already.
    like album sales after the hardcore fans drop off.

  4. Sherena permalink
    November 19, 2009 8:43 pm

    “Yes. The appeal of Adam Lambert has worn thin.”

    I think that should say, “No. The appeal of Adam Lambert has worn thin.”…typo?

  5. Sherena permalink
    November 19, 2009 8:40 pm

    Of course I can’t trust an anonymous source completely, but the combination of reading this (which I read before I posted by three angry posts in the other thread, lol) and finding out some of Hicklin’s background with shit-stirring made me change my mind about the pureness of his intentions, and therefore his likelihood of being twisting the situation for attention.

  6. erinnnthered permalink
    November 19, 2009 5:29 pm

    edge, Advocate is going to online only. I think they’re going to try to be the gay version of Salon. I’m pretty sure the Advocate chief will stay for the transition, but I suppose Hicklin might have to worry down the line. Then again, OUT is still in print, and that does have something to do with Hicklin’s work.

    veritas, do we know for sure what was cut, or that it was really that revelatory? Sounds like a lot of smoke and mirrors to deflect from the actual issue, IMHO. Almost all interviews are edited heavily. If it’s not, look for the publication to tout that fact.

    I know that Claymates are like the gold standard for crazy among the music biz people I’ve known. Mostly reps, artists, and pr. No surprise that Glamberts are taking the mantle. The funny thing is, people saw it coming this time, so their patience is much lower. I feel for that RCA mod who had to smack down the fans. Won’t work, but nice try.

  7. veritas permalink
    November 19, 2009 2:46 pm

    I do think its odd that Hicklin cut some of Lambert’s answers in the print version. You’d think he’d want all the juicy stuff in the version people have to BUY, as opposed to the website where they can get it for free.

    I doubt that even Hicklin is silly enough to believe that Adam would come in for a second interview with these people after Hicklin’s call-out. I can see why they’d want to call out 19, but they put a load of crap on Lambert too. He doesn’t need anyone deciding how political he should or shouldn’t be, or whether he’s obligated to “not screw up” for the gay community.

    As for whether the so-called interview with Source actually occurred, who knows? Who cares? Maybe she interviewed herself just like L.Anne likes to do.

  8. isidra permalink
    November 19, 2009 12:22 pm

    I’m not sure why everyone’s confused as to why Aaron Hicklin waited a month to publish his letter. He published his letter in the issue that the interview came out because it was specifically related to the interview. It wouldn’t make sense to publish it beforehand.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 19, 2009 12:25 pm

      EXACTLY. That’s what I thought happened. There would be no reason to release it BEFORE the issue.

      The whole “waiting” crap is just a bunch of nonsensical bullshit. Blah blah blah.

      • Sherena permalink
        November 19, 2009 8:49 pm

        I think the issue is that if he was truly disturbed about the incident, then why didn’t he contact any of Adam’s people, or Adam, beforehand? Or give them a hint of what was going on? All this makes it seem like he’s only doing it for attention for his mag.

        • Isidra permalink
          November 20, 2009 12:46 am

          I think you’re misunderstanding the idea of an open letter. An open letter is not directed toward the person that it’s addressed to. If it were, it wouldn’t be open. They’d just send it.

          An open letter is supposed to be a discussion point. A way to centralize an argument in a way that makes it clear who/what the argument is about, while also being a launching point for a greater, widespread issue.

          It’s only about Adam so much as Adam’s management is the most recent occurrence of the phenomenon. (At least as Hicklin sees it.)

          • Sherena permalink
            November 20, 2009 12:56 am

            And that’s what I thought it was…I was actually posting analyses very similar to what you’re saying over at another board. I thought Hicklin cared about the wider issues, bitchy tone or not. But the culmination of the things I’ve found out about his past history and about how the article was strategically edited today is that I feel like he’s just another shit-stirrer who’s twisting the facts. It’s already blowing over though, and Adam has been really articulate in the two interviews in which he’s discussed the issue, so I’m pretty much over it now.

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 19, 2009 9:04 pm

        I don’t get it either. How does that even matter? Who cares when it was written.

  9. Nicole permalink
    November 19, 2009 12:12 pm

    People are still talking about this? They need to get a life. LOL I did like Slezak’s article on it yesterday though. Nothing beats the one from Huffingtonpost though.

  10. blacklisted permalink
    November 19, 2009 10:59 am

    Now you are just getting hits and making money off of Adam’s back! That makes you a whore….or he’s the whore since he’s on his back??!!! Oh, I just don’t know anymore, ha.

    For serious, most of those girls are nice, albeit overexcited, but that’s a given with youth. They’ll grow bitter, jaded and disbelieving once they get old like us.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 21, 2009 11:07 am

      You should be a guidance counselor! 🙂

  11. on the edge permalink
    November 19, 2009 10:54 am

    I have a question about the magazine being in danger (and let’s face it, can’t we say the same for ALL print media?).

    I thought I read that it was The Advocate (which is WAY more political) that was either in danger of folding or was for sure folding, and since they are owned by the same people that own Out, some writers and editors would be moved over to Out and that The Advocate’s editor would still have some position?

    IDK…sounds like this was Out’s equivalent of Playboy giving Marge Simpson a pictorial.

  12. Mithra permalink
    November 19, 2009 10:47 am

    “Hell, I have no clue how this fan group even came about or how many of them there are.)”

    I believe, and I may be wrong, but it was formed sometime during this last season of AI to get them the hell off the main ontd site. They are not well liked there from what I can see, and when AI related posts from this season show up, regular ontd posters are snarky and not tards like the ontd_ai regulars and are not thrilled when the tards show up. The last post about this OUT issue is a good example. Many non fantards are fed up with Adam and his fans. People who originally liked him.

    As for “benches”, yeah, it’s just one of many things that’s annoying about them. That’s pretty much an ontd_ai thing though. Unfortunately, “stans” is used all too often on the main site. Depending upon the post. You’ll see major tarding and annoying crap any time there’s a Micheal Jackson post as well. Certain posters seem to stay contained to certain posts. Sort of like how I’m seeing MJ hearding the Glamberts into specific posts each day.

    As for this bit of info, I just read it on the other thread and after reading it once a lot of it sat wrong with me. It sort of sounds like a fantasty conversation in an obsessive fan’s head, all made up. I could be wrong, but that’s how it strikes me.

  13. MEM permalink
    November 19, 2009 10:44 am

    Has anyone mentioned what Lambert actually said in the OUT interview? He is vile and filters absolutely nothing that comes out of his mouth. How his middle aged female fans can keep defending and defending him is beyond me.

    This is what he said to a mother who was standing in the autograph line because she was concerned about him being too sexual during a family show:

    Interviewer: I have to say, I didn’t really expect to see someone on Idol tour jerking off a mic stand.

    Lambert: You know what was really funny about that — a woman came up to me in the autograph line and was like, “This is a family show. You need to make this more appropriate.” And I looked at her and said, “I don’t need a lecture from you.” I kinda smiled and she was like, “But there’s little girls in the audience.” I said to her, “They probably don’t know what I’m doing. You do. They don’t know what I’m doing. They just think I’m playing with my mic! They don’t know that I’m jerking off. They don’t get that yet. Come on! And, if they do, then…sorry.”

    It’s like he basically said FU to this woman. What a total asshole. This lovely gem goes with the Lambert/bi-curious thing. Can you imagine the only girl Lambert was ever with bragging to her friends about being with him, then he says THIS in the interview? How horrified and embarrassed she must be:

    Q:Are you toying with perception when you talk about how you could be bi-curious? Or are you generally attracted to women?
    A: I will make out with a girl at a bar. I mean, after a couple of drinks.[Laughing] That doesn’t make you any less gay. Get three mai tais in a gay boy and he’ll make out with a girl. Sex is something different. That’s why I say I’m curious. There are gay guys that gag and go “eww” at the thought of having sex with a girl. I’m curious about it, because I’ve never done it.

    Q: Have you ever had any sex with a girl?
    A: Oral.

    Q: You went down on her?
    A: Uh-huh.

    Q: Was it gross, or it was just not what you wanted?
    A: It was a little gross because I don’t think she was as clean as she could’ve been. It wasn’t the act of it that really turned me off. I don’t really remember. I was 18 and I was drunk. Or maybe I was 17… The point of the matter is that I would not rule it out. The idea is intriguing.

    Does he have any class? Does he open his mouth and just let crap fall out of it, no matter what it is? He is one of the most vile, shallow and overrated, people I have ever seen in my life. I can’t stand him.

    • isidra permalink
      November 19, 2009 12:30 pm

      I think that’s just one of those YMMV things. His fans appreciate his candor/lack of filter. I tend to either find him amusing or ridiculous depending on the quote in question.

      The oral sex stuff didn’t bother me so much, it was a bit TMI, but it was part of the interview. He wasn’t that detailed until asked about it, and well, if the woman did brag about it, it pretty much makes her as crude as he is.

      I do agree that he was rude to the woman who complained though. Just because the kids don’t recognize the gesture doesn’t make the gesture appropriate for children, and the lady is not wrong for complaining about that.

      • MEM permalink
        November 19, 2009 1:26 pm

        He also could have said “ya know, I’m not going to answer that” or something to that effect. Why does he think that the world needed to know this? You know that if it’s true, and that girl did tell her friends about it, and now she’ll be known as the chick with the unclean cooter. Who, seriously, wants to get the mental image of this guy going down on some unwashed skank? It’s nauseating. I see not one ounce of class or humility in this guy, not one. Rude, crass and vile, along with completely full of himself. I for one will be happy when he falls off the radar. The way that these rabid AI fans are, half of them will forget Lambert and move on to the next when the new season starts, their ADHD kicks in and they’ll obsess over someone new.

    • Sherena permalink
      November 19, 2009 8:39 pm

      What he said to that mother is perfectly and completely true and what I always say when people worry about the “little children.” You go Adam.

      • MEM permalink
        November 20, 2009 9:52 am

        Are you serious? It was a FAMILY show. Do you think the main viewing audience for American Idol are older women? No, I’d venture to guess that more than half of their viewers are young girls, 11-15 years of age. If it was a show limited to adults over 18, yeah, fine, let him jerk off the mic. 12 year old girls don’t need to see a flamboyant creep dry humping a microphone while didlos are being pelted at him.

          • MEM permalink
            November 20, 2009 10:31 am

            Ok, then all the youtube videos I saw of this season’s AI concerts and all those kids in the audience mean nothing? I just can’t believe you people defend this guy like he’s some kind of god turning water into wine, healing the sick and sitting in the heavens atop a glittery cloud sprinkling magical fairy dust down on us lowly mortals. It’s too bad he can’t come down a little lower, because I’d like to throw a dildo at his head, too.

            • 8sourcandy permalink
              November 21, 2009 10:52 am

              You are making him GOD by attaching so much importance on his actions. He is a pop singer. His stage antics are not going to change the course of history or warp an impressionable mind. You, suggesting it will makes Adam Lambert more influential than a child’s, parents, teachers or community leaders. I personally don’t think he is that important. But, then again I excessive a rational thought process to form my opinions. ,

        • 8sourcandy permalink
          November 21, 2009 12:39 am

          “dry humping a microphone while didlos are being pelted at him.” OMG!!! that was my favorite part!

          • 8sourcandy permalink
            November 21, 2009 12:53 pm

            *excessive should be exercise

        • Sherena permalink
          November 21, 2009 2:57 am

          Do you think the main viewing audience for American Idol are older women? No, I’d venture to guess that more than half of their viewers are young girls, 11-15 years of age.”

          Lol wrong.

          Common sense should have told you that. Advertisers don’t make money off of girls 11-15 years of age. American Idol wouldn’t be such a big juggernaut unless most of their viewers are in the 18-49 demographic.

          • MEM permalink
            November 21, 2009 10:32 am

            No, but advertisers make money off the parents of 11-15 year old girls. When they pan the camera around the American Idol audience, why is is full of kids who look like they’re under 18? If it’s an “adults only” show, why not put it on at 10:00 as opposed to 8:00, when all the kids are still awake? I refuse to argue with you OTT Glambert fans. Obviously, there’s no winning. He’s greater than Jesus himself, he can do no wrong. I get it, I get it.

            • MEM permalink
              November 21, 2009 10:41 am

              Maybe next year’s AI road tour will feature g-strings, nipple tassles, strip teases and a bit of the old bondage/S&M. Why not, it’s an adults only show, right?

            • 8sourcandy permalink
              November 21, 2009 12:58 pm

              Why aren’t you on the bog that calls attention to Miley Cyrus’ “whore” themed birthday bash? If there is a bone of contention to be had about media influencing children in a negative way, that bone should be buried there.

              I suspect a lot of “bone” burying happened there.

          • 8sourcandy permalink
            November 21, 2009 10:54 am

            Great stats!

            • 8sourcandy permalink
              November 21, 2009 11:02 am

              Don’t worry, without Mr. Lambert performing on the AI tour next year I am sure it will revert back to cheese and yawns.

              Fortunately, the promotion tour for FYE will supply “g-strings, nipple tassles, strip teases and a bit of the old bondage/S&M,” for those who are sexually adventurous.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 19, 2009 9:00 pm


      The interviewer asked the questions. He answered. He didn’t have to be honest.
      But he was.

      I adore Mr. Lambert. Not in a “I have sources” way,” but in a “holy shit did he really say that?” way. He cracks me up. I get his sense of humor and his sense of self. You don’t. Not everyone will. Whatever.

      As for children at concerts, I don’t think they should be there. It’s late at night, very crowded and the concert is very long. Kids get bored and cry and disrupt things. Adam’s stage antics were well documented any parent that chose to attend with their child either knew or should have known what to expect. Children are exposed to far worse on TV.

      • Isidra permalink
        November 20, 2009 1:08 am

        AI’s not an adults only property though. There’s an age range where children can attend concerts and enjoy them without being disruptive before they’re ready to deal with that much sexual imagery. And just because the kids may not recognize the gesture doesn’t mean they won’t ask and lead to certain awkwardness.

        (As a personal anecdote: this sort of thing is how I ended up learning the birds and the bees. My parents were the sort to believe if I was old enough to ask, I was old enough to know. So “What is Captain Kirk doing with the alien lady?” ended up with an answer I totally wasn’t ready for.)

        And they were only well-documented if someone read reviews of the tour. If they’re just casual fans who went because they like the show (which was family appropriate, even with Adam’s antics) they wouldn’t have expected microphone molestation and the like.

        I’m not saying that Adam SHOULD have toned it down (I think the producers would have talked to him if there was a notable problem as opposed to a few oversensitive complainers) but I think he could have shown the woman a bit more respect when he answered her. “Entitlement isn’t sexy” while true is not an excuse to be rude to a paying customer.

        • 8sourcandy permalink
          November 21, 2009 12:58 am

          You are assuming he was rude. You weren’t there. His account merely stated what was said, not the tone in which it was said. Her tone could have very well been snotty and condescending. AND it wasn’t her child, but other people’s children she was bitching about. I saw the concert. I do not think two strokes of a mic stand would have launched a myriad of probing questions and self discovery for any child.

          AND if concert behavior is going to be judged, what about the fans behavior. Did that woman chide the fantards and their inappropriate behavior? They, after all brought the dildos.

          • Isidra permalink
            November 21, 2009 1:15 am

            If he told her what he says he told her in that interview, he was rude to her.

            And bad behavior from some fans does not make Adam immune to criticism. This woman probably didn’t throw a dildo. And none of those women MADE Adam jerkoff a microphone stand or any of his other performance quirks.

            I’m not saying the woman was right. At the show I went to, (Grand Rapids), I didn’t see anything that I thought was particularly scandalous for kids to see. But if this is true:

            And I looked at her and said, “I don’t need a lecture from you.” I kinda smiled and she was like, “But there’s little girls in the audience.” I said to her, “They probably don’t know what I’m doing. You do. They don’t know what I’m doing. They just think I’m playing with my mic! They don’t know that I’m jerking off. They don’t get that yet. Come on! And, if they do, then…sorry.”

            Then I think that he was rude to her. And rudeness is not sexy when it comes from either side.

            • 8sourcandy permalink
              November 21, 2009 9:52 am

              Again, it’s your interpretation. I read this and see that he SMILED, REASONED WITH HER, ACCEPTED HER CONDEMNATION and SAID SORRY! I am sure he was charming. He is always charming.

              “I don’t need a lecture from you.” I kinda smiled and she was like, “But there’s little girls in the audience.” I said to her, “They probably don’t know what I’m doing. You do. They don’t know what I’m doing. They just think I’m playing with my mic! They don’t know that I’m jerking off. They don’t get that yet. Come on! And, if they do, then…sorry.”

              I would have told her to fuck off. I also would have implied she a warped and frustrated old bag. I would have been rude.

    • sosad permalink
      November 20, 2009 2:13 am

      I know, that was horrible what he said about that girl. He should be so ashamed but he isn’t because it’s all about him. What an ass.

      copying &pasting this here too:

      He should just get it over with & have a live orgy on stage w/his dance troupe.
      Or publish a Madonna-like SEX book.
      Stop the teasing Lambert.
      Why always talk about sex over & over & over again?
      If a person doesn’t want to keep visiting the sex angle in interviews, all they have to do is say it’s a private matter & move on to something else. Actors/singers/etc. do it all the time, no biggie.
      Obviously the controversy is what is wanted.
      Bi-curious? do something about it on your own time & shut up about it.
      Not everyone wants to hear about it or go to bed w/you sir.
      I thought it was all about the music.
      yeah sure.

      Sorry guys.
      All this fake fame-whoring really irritates me I guess, & I’m tired..

      And, this B.S. about being all honest & crap. Whatever. You can be tactful & considerate too. Also, there are alot of discrepancies in this guys stories from what I have read.
      Case in point: When he sang ‘A Change is Gonna Come’ on AI, he acted like it was all new to him & crap. How strange. He sang it in black feather costume in 2007. So fuull of the crapola.
      ok I’m more than done.

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 21, 2009 1:22 am

        I find your remarks to be Gokey-esque in their judgmental tone and pious demeanor. You, being sick and tired of all this clearly suggests that you read too many blogs. Most people aren’t this invested. They lead normal productive lives without any concern about Adam Lambert and his sex life. I can understand a fan’s devotion and them obsessing. What I fail to comprehend is why people who aren’t fans invest so much time in hating him. You hating him has no impact on others loving him or the success that he is destined to have. What a waste of your time.

        “He should just get it over with & have a live orgy on stage w/his dance troupe.”
        He will on the AMA’s Sunday night ABC. He was given the pimp spot.

        • Isidra permalink
          November 21, 2009 1:36 am

          If he actually has a live orgy during the pimp spot on the AMAs, I’ll…well, no, I’m probably never going to like his music.

          But I would be incredibly amused.

          • 8sourcandy permalink
            November 21, 2009 9:58 am

            I am sure you’ll be MORE than amused. And there is so much about Adam to enjoy besides his music. Don’t be so quick to dismiss him just yet. His crazy fans will taper off and he will seem less annoying as a result THIS I promise you. 🙂

        • sosad permalink
          November 22, 2009 5:20 pm

          I can see why you wouldn’t think Adam is rude 8sour.

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 21, 2009 11:31 am

        ” When he sang ‘A Change is Gonna Come’ on AI, he acted like it was all new to him & crap. How strange. He sang it in black feather costume in 2007. So full of the crapola.”

        The Idol performance of that song was new. The arrangement and sentiment where completely different from the campy Zodiac performance. He never said he was unfamiliar with the song. In fact when talking with Seacrest right before or after, he said he knew the song, but it was a challenge. “A Change is Gonna Come” is a big song and he had to sing it with conviction, in a soulful, music style he hadn’t performed on the show before. A lot was riding on that performance. He was amazing.

  14. Verbally Dyslexic permalink
    November 19, 2009 10:00 am

    Oh my, a poll! You’re classing this place up TI!

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 19, 2009 10:04 am

      Oh just you wait. It’s gonna be the classiest place on the interweb.

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 19, 2009 9:11 pm

        Oh, but Top Idol it is already. It’s why I come here. I’m very classy too.

  15. yuppie permalink
    November 19, 2009 9:22 am


    Also, fwiw, calling ourselves “benches” stems from a Kris Allen interview where he said that the Idol TPTB told him he wasn’t allowed to say the word “bench” or “benches” on air anymore because, with his accent, it sounded like “bitches.” We’re dorks, okay?

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 19, 2009 9:25 am

      Tinhatting benches who stan over Kradam and ship Kradison so hard!!!!1111ELEVENTY EPICNESS FTW

      How did I do?

      • yuppie permalink
        November 19, 2009 9:27 am


      • yuppie permalink
        November 19, 2009 9:28 am

        Except no one ships Kradison. Ick. Allison is only 17.

      • blacklisted permalink
        November 19, 2009 11:02 am

        “Tinhatting benches who stan over Kradam and ship Kradison so hard!!!!1111ELEVENTY EPICNESS FTW

        How did I do?”

        NEEDS MORE CAPS!!!

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 19, 2009 8:34 pm

        Glamberts have “Sources,” really?

        • Mithra permalink
          November 19, 2009 8:52 pm

          I assume you’re being factious, right?

          • 8sourcandy permalink
            November 19, 2009 9:10 pm

            No, jealous.

            • Mithra permalink
              November 19, 2009 9:22 pm

              Well girl, you need to take some lessons and step up your stalking skills 😉 Hollygo on IDF is a good one to follow 😀 (and I AM joking)

              I do think that whole “interview” is a load of scata.

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