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Kris Allen might be the most likeable American Idol winner ever

November 25, 2009

Snuggie Photo from Kris Allen's TwitPic

I’m not a tard. But if I was gonna be a tard, I might tard over Kris Allen.

Yo, 19 Entertainment, Jive Records, all of you yahoos. Do you see what you’re sitting on here? This guy won American Idol without even showing the country one-fourth of his personality or humping anything. I don’t even like this damn show, yet I’m now in too deep with this stupid blog that I can’t stop. Don’t you see that I’m the type of bitter, hollier-than-thou asshat who considers myself above your stupid, manipulative tactics and shitty ass 1:30 karaoke numbers mostly of music I hated to begin with? (For chrissake, do I really need to hear someone else sing I Can’t Make You Love Me ever again?)

I will never make a puffy-paint shirt or slave over an inspirational (s)crapbook to give to some guy I saw on TV. I don’t squee and I don’t thud. I don’t have impure thoughts about men younger than me, especially those who are too young to remember Reagan. I don’t even pick up the phone and vote when you flash those (800) numbers on the screen. Let’s face it, although blogging about this shit show has done more for my writing career than interviewing Paul Rudd and James Cameron, or even getting a M.A. in Journalism, I hate it. I hate American Idol.

But had I never watched this nonsense or been told to write this blog by my old employer, I would have never discovered Kris Allen. I know there are a bunch of batshit crazy Glamberts who claim Adam Lambert is the key to opening up the hearts and minds to those “different” (uh…yeah…), claiming he changed their lives and “awakened” them (I guess that’s what happens when you have a hot flash during prime time television?). But what about people like me? Arrogant east coast liberal types who consider themselves above such low-brow mainstream television. Hell, we only like to admit we watch stuff like Mad Men. And Kris Allen, the clean-cut Christian boy from Arkansas with a young blond homecoming queen wife–seriously, do you know how much people like me hate that sort of thing–reminded me that I shouldn’t judge a book by its cover. That maybe this guy was actually really cool! And really talented! And probably more open minded then asshats like me. (I still liked him after finding out he’s a John Mayer fan. This is usually a dealbreaker.)

And the more I see of Kris Allen outside of the Idol bubble, the more I like this guy. He’s hilarious. I don’t even just follow Kris Allen on Twitter because I have to follow Idol people on Twitter because of this blog. This guy is the real deal. He’s more real than most people I know. In fact, he’s an original, even though he wears store-bought plaid shirts and doesn’t seem to wear foundation. Because he’s just being himself. And so few people ever bother being themselves, ya know?

So, seriously, Idol / Jive / 19E people. Have you guys come up with a strategy for this one? Because he might actually be the one male winner you ever have to make it outside of the scary little Idol world. He might actually be able to sell records and tickets to asshats like me. He might eventually be mentioned without the words American Idol in the sentence. Like, he plays how many instruments and has been writing music for how long? And OMG. He is funny. Like naturally funny (not unintentionally funny, like that Danny Gokey guy, for instance). Really, what’s the deal? Can’t you put him on a few more shows (come on, this guy would be sit-down interview gold with Conan, Letterman and Kimmel)? Maybe get him some random guest spots on Comedy Central’s Adult Swim, perhaps, totally good for street cred. Can you get him to sing at one of those improbably “all-ages nightspots” found on any teenage show on the CW? What about booking him for a set at Coachella? Or perhaps Bonnaroo? Maybe get him as the musical guest on SNL and even allow him to be in a couple of skits? For chrissake, put him on that Glee shit. Everyone loves that damn show. It’s like one of the only things idiots will watch when they’re not concocting sick fantasies about being tag-teamed by a werewolf and an emo vampire. See? The appeal of Kris Allen is endless. He could be American Idol and American Apparel. He’s the guy who might actually be adored by not only moms and little girls, but also frat boys and pompous asshats and gays and churchgoers and atheists, maybe even a few obnoxious Brooklyn hipsters. There are just so many things you could do with this kid, you know?

So just do it.

289 Comments leave one →
  1. deez permalink
    December 1, 2009 6:22 pm

    Lyndsey Parker article comparing first week sales…Glamberts are now attacking her (even though Adam’s album outsold HBD’s by a large margin) Here is an excerpt from a comment explaining how HBD even managed to sell as many as he did:

    “As far as media exposure goes, i believe that Kris received alot more promotion from the record label then Adam..
    Adam has been promoting Kris all along..if he had not, i predict that Kris’s sales would have been even lower..alot of Adam fans have purchased Kris’s cd just cause Adam had asked us to.”

    lolololololololololololololol. (Yep that was Adam on the AMA’s promoting Kris, and there has been so MUCH promotion from the label…they can’t even put up some damn posters)

    • lauren722 permalink
      December 1, 2009 6:31 pm

      I know! It’s the most ridiculous thing ever. Glamberts have been attacking her in the comments and on twitter for an article that she attempted to be neutral in for once. They are saying things like “Why are you justifying Kris’ low numbers? If it had been the reverse, you wouldn’t be doing the same for Adam!” First, she was giving her take, there’s nothing wrong with that. Second, anyone who has read any blog by Lyndsey knows she is a Glambert! She’s not an Adam-hater! People are so mad at her for being nice to Kris. It’s so weird. I had to unfollow several people!

    • auntieaimee permalink
      December 1, 2009 6:59 pm

      Yeah, it’s like Lord of the Flies over there. Eek.

    • Claire permalink
      December 1, 2009 7:54 pm

      “Kris’s sales would have been even lower..alot of Adam fans have purchased Kris’s cd just cause Adam had asked us to.”

      So when Adam says “jump”, they say, “how high?” They buy what they consider mediocre crap from an average singer because Adam said so in 140 characters or less? I realize that poster is trying to insult HBD , but that statement just makes alot [sic] of Glam-berts/skanks/tards/twats/whatever look like mindless sheep.

      • lauren722 permalink
        December 1, 2009 8:10 pm

        Some of them are mindless sheep! To the point that they bash any music that isn’t Adam approved. I’m sure they no longer listen to Kiss because Adam says Gene Simmons isn’t that good of a singer. Whenever Adam mentions an artist they are automatically OMG THE BEST IN THE WORLD besides Adam of course πŸ™‚
        Or maybe I’m just bitter they were bashing Owl City πŸ˜‰
        It’s the anti-Kradam Glamberts that are the trouble-makers I tell you! My faction loves all Kradam/ Kradison/ Adison (yuck)!

        • saskin permalink
          December 1, 2009 8:59 pm

          But do you like Megan Joy?

          • lauren722 permalink
            December 1, 2009 9:07 pm

            Haha personally I don’t…sorry 😦

            • deez permalink
              December 1, 2009 11:04 pm

              I’m really happy for Adam and I’m happy for Kris as well. I really don’t think he cares as long as he’s able to support his family doing what he loves. I think LP is right about Kris. He will probably go the David Cook route (not a bad thing) and who knows, maybe Adam will be an international supastah(eleventy!!!) In the long run, I think both of them are right where they want to be. UGH!!!! I’m starting to wish to wish Kris had never won, Glamberts are too much. (I know there are some insane Kristards…I’ve seen ridiculous comments from them as well…but the Glamberts just seem to have more concentrated venom, IDK) Thank goodness for Lauren, Sourcandy, Sherena and a handful of others…please spread the sanity!

            • saskin permalink
              December 2, 2009 8:51 am

              Bummer. Because Megan Joy is awesome. (I’m not fantarding. She is good. Not a good singer but very expressive voice.)

    • Claire permalink
      December 2, 2009 6:36 pm

      Wow! The number of comments from that Lyndsey Parker article have practically tripled since I last checked. So much hate from both “teams.”

      They’re rehashing the whole AR voting “scandal”, calling Adam a famewhoring queer (now that qualifies as an actual homophobic statment), saying that Adam’s sales would rival SuBo’s if only he were straight, proposing a pay-per-vote method of AI voting because apparently Adam’s fans only voted one time each (bitch please), saying Adam is all style and no substance, ragging on Adam’s AMA performance, bla bla bla.

      Of course, like a trainwreck, I couldn’t look away πŸ™‚

      • lauren722 permalink
        December 2, 2009 6:43 pm

        Oh my! I can’t believe its gotten worse! Adam’s fans were really saying terrible things on there. They can’t seem to accept the fact that you can vote for someone and then not buy the album. Voting is free. Poor Lyndsey. Caught in the middle 😦

  2. jujubee permalink
    November 29, 2009 5:25 pm

    This is probably the most head-scratchingly weird post I have ever read on this blog…so, Glamberts/Lambert fans, whatever you want to call them, are incessantly mocked for being OTT and crazt, yet TopIdol yherself writes a valentine to Kris Allen, all the while declaring that she is not a fantard, and the usual KA fans, plus a whole bevy of new posters, chime in and moon that he is soo organic, and real and cute and funny and such a real musician and is just in it “for the music” etc. etc. yet none of them are OTT or crazy Kris Allen fans….hilarious……

    • on the edge permalink
      November 30, 2009 12:44 am

      I think the piece is dead-on. And sure we may be Kristards; I can’t speak for Top Idol but I kinda am…sorta. Difference is though I bought his album and went to the one Idol stop that was closest to me, in the end I’m too busy trying to get tenure, buy a house, spend quality time with my husband, do the Christmas shopping, plan my trip to Washington next summer, etc. to dedicate a lot of time to “tard” over Kris (or David Cook for that matter). Will I go see him in concert if he plays a date near me? Sure. Will I travel across the country, venue to venue, to see him? Uh, no. And in case you haven’t noticed, there are quite a few Adam fans that post here, side-by-side with Kris fans and even anti-Idol fans, and we post with mutual respect and an expectation of snark. No need to defend any Idol’s “honor.” These are big boys, they can take it.

      And Top Idol has an excuse to spend an inordinate amount of time on the Idols…heck it’s part of her job. Defending HER honor, yeah we do that.

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 30, 2009 1:07 am

        That’s the most beautiful thing I’ve ever read. Thank you. And you have no idea how happy it made me considering I CANNOT POST RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF HOLLY SOCKPUPPETS.

        Third time since Wednesday. This is absolutely ridiculous.

        • Smartie permalink
          November 30, 2009 1:09 am

          MaryAnn Ellis is a cunt

          • on the edge permalink
            November 30, 2009 1:53 am

            Calling Mary Ann Ellis a cunt is an insult to vaginas everywhere. But it’ll do.

        • Sandy permalink
          December 1, 2009 4:04 am

          But…..I thought Holly was supposed to be against censorship…….and yet here she goes trying to censor you. What a hypocrite she is!

  3. Kathy permalink
    November 27, 2009 8:53 am

    Totally agree. Great post. I don’t see why they don’t get what they’ve got here.

  4. barado permalink
    November 27, 2009 12:47 am

    Delurking to say how much I love this post.

    This guy has talent, looks, personality, – when will 19E recognize that?

    And you are so right in noting how Kris is “naturally funny.” His tweets are a goldmine of humor because it’s all about things he identifies as funny himself. Compare that to Danny who this summer was tweeting (lame) jokes he found on some website. Even Danny’s attempts at humor were karaoke, but Kris is original in this, just by being himself.

  5. Rarely Comment permalink
    November 26, 2009 11:33 pm

    Thank you for your post, Top Idol. I have never followed anyone’s career post-Idol until Kris Allen came along. I like his music and believe he has great potential. As to the male demographic, Kris is the one AI winner my college son actually likes. And Kris does have a quietly subversive sense of humor. He has handled the crap thrown his way with extraordinary class, well beyond his years.

  6. Verbally Dyslexic permalink
    November 26, 2009 9:55 pm

    I must say in light of Thanksgiving and all, hope you guys celebrating are having a good one. And hope that HBD drunk tweets something later (Katy, don’t take away his iphone!).

  7. David permalink
    November 26, 2009 4:41 pm

    He probably is a nice and funny guy. However, the voting scandal causing by the power voting of Arkansas makes it impossible for millions of people to like him.
    Absolutely impossible.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 26, 2009 4:45 pm

      The “voting scandal” was a joke. I think that’s already been proven. Is that still being used as a reason why Lambert came in second?

      Contestants from the south always win because they are able to drum up bigger statewide support.

    • Starr permalink
      November 27, 2009 4:01 am

      Oh, David. It’s more elaborate than that. It was a government conspiracy. Barack Obama’s children were Kris Allen fans. Everyone knows the needs of the children must always be a priority. He sent a covert group of specialists to Arkansas to rig the computer systems so that all votes from the state that went to Adam were rerouted to count towards Kris. They blackmailed all 10 Adam Lambert fans in Arkansas to vote for Kris, too! The fiends! And then all 38 million Arkansas individuals were contacted via robocall to vote for Kris, or Arkansas would be forced to secede from the Union.

      I can’t wait until someone with balls exposes such a scandal! Write a book, call in to Nancy Grace, do whatever it takes to get this scheme exposed! THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW! Oh, wait. I think someone from AdamOfficial already is. The day is saved…Thanks to Glambert696969!

    • spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
      November 27, 2009 9:56 am

      Well if that was the case then you better not like Carrie, Cook, Kelly, Fantasia, Cook and ALL the idols who come from small states in the South and Midwest. And even second place winners like Clay and Archie had people in their state, with low populations power voting.

      Some of you Bitterberts must be new to Idol, because it has been a know fact for years. Some of the Bitterberts have been spreading that around to every newspaper and messageboard they could, but funny that it has been going on EVERY YEAR.

      And also there were instructions for Adam Lambert fans to use the same tactics, plus for those Glamberts who lived overseas to vote illegally for Adam. So why weren’t they called out for cheating if they were doing the same? As far as I know EVERYONE does it. They had sites and links for every top 5 contestant. All of them had voters from overseas voting for them, and they weren’t supposed to, including Glamberts.

      Most big states like California and NY seldom get beyond someone from their state to vote on Idol because they are jaded with stars because there are many living in their backyard already.

      • deez permalink
        November 27, 2009 11:29 am

        Exactly! If you live in Arkansas, you aren’t going to see a celebrity every day! I mean WHO could just walk outside their building in the morning and see JON HAMM???? That shit don’t happen in Little Rock!

        • TopIdol permalink
          November 27, 2009 1:54 pm

          It could happen at certain times of the year in St. Louis, perhaps? Oh crap, I’m talking about Jon Hamm again. I hope he goes to STL for Xmas. A girl can dream, can’t she?

          • November 27, 2009 8:15 pm

            Our” famous” people here are the Razorback football players…lol we love our Hogs:)

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 27, 2009 1:53 pm

        They’re pissed because they didn’t “cheat” hard enough.

  8. lauren722 permalink
    November 26, 2009 1:33 pm

    Ok I don’t feel like reading all the comments lol.
    But I am late to the party once again! Even as an Adam-tard from the very beginning, I never found Kris boring! Glamberts who insult Kris are not true fans! I LOVE Kris’ personality so much πŸ™‚
    He’s adorable and hilarious ( and the perfect match for Adam πŸ˜‰ ) hehe

    • November 26, 2009 4:26 pm

      You are such a Kradamite! Happy Thanksgiving – though am not entirely sure what that is – but have a good one πŸ™‚

      • lauren722 permalink
        November 26, 2009 9:20 pm

        Haha I am!
        It’s a celebration of how the white people murdered the Native Americans after their plentiful generosity toward the colonists πŸ™‚
        I’m a thanksgiving skeptic

        • TopIdol permalink
          November 27, 2009 12:34 am

          Yes, I still vividly recall the filmstrips shown to my classes early in elementary school showing the pilgrims and Native Americans sitting down to eat turkey and corn at a rustic picnic bench. They never showed the part when the smallpox-laden blankets were distributed (although I think this was at least 100 years later, still…)

          In case anyone was wondering, Oskar also had Thanksgiving dinner.

          • deez permalink
            November 27, 2009 2:04 am

            The Turducken??

            • TopIdol permalink
              November 27, 2009 1:50 pm

              Nah, the Thanksgiving Day Dinner. Perhaps he will get Turducken for Xmas?

        • November 27, 2009 12:53 pm

          Oh dear, I see why you a Thanksgiving skeptic, who wouldnt be in that case. Here in UK, we celebrate a bloke called Guy Fawkes (Bonfire Night is commonly called) every Nov 5th – he and his followers tried to blow up the Government buildings and its inhabitants a few hundred years back. And we celebrate by letting off fireworks and lighting bonfires. Not quite sure if we celebrate him getting caught and killed, or whether we celebrate cos he tried to do it – like to think that it is the latter as is far more rock n roll! And yeah, apart from the mad porno fanfic, I can easily take a little Kradam myself πŸ™‚

  9. Shar100 permalink
    November 26, 2009 12:54 pm

    Thank you, I love this post and atleast someone thinks Kris is a great American Idol. He is great, he’s talented and amazing and he does have a great personality and he is HILARIOUS.

  10. nan permalink
    November 26, 2009 11:52 am

    Nice guy, but totally boring music…maybe that’s why not many people bought it..where are the 38 million people from Arkansas that voted, why aren’t they buying his album..I wonder if he didn’t win if he would have gotten a contract..I don’t think so

    • November 26, 2009 3:02 pm

      Well dumbass there aren’t 38 million people in AR….this statement youposter is why I can’t stand Adam. His Fans and him are such hyprocites.

      • November 26, 2009 3:10 pm

        Sorry that is one of my pet peeves…hypocrcy

        These old farts are buying like 15 alums a pop …i need to
        Don’t ban me…lol…had a couple of beers..its Turke yDay!!!

        • November 26, 2009 4:35 pm

          This old fart admits to buying 3 only! One for ipod, one for hard copy cos need to feel the papery bit and have Adam in my hand and one for my son, a metal singer who loves Adam – not entirely sure if he will like Adam’s electro-pop but he did ask me for a copy. But dont worry Margie, you wont get banned, you are on the side of the right and the just (that will be Kris btw) so don’t worry enjoy your beers and turkey. Jellus bout the beers, turkey not so much πŸ™‚

          • TopIdol permalink
            November 26, 2009 4:37 pm

            I planned on posting Lambert’s Letterman performance today, but Holly Sockpuppets has complained to WordPress and I can’t POST again until I hear back from them.

            NOT HAPPY.

            • November 26, 2009 5:07 pm

              So, the conspiracy thickens, Popsucker is against Adam too!!! Just jokin. That’s a bitch TI. Keep posting us here for updates on situation.

            • Lakshmi permalink
              November 26, 2009 8:06 pm

              You can’t post at all? Yikes. Crossing my fingers that everything will be resolved soon.

            • 8sourcandy permalink
              November 26, 2009 8:10 pm

              Complained about what?

            • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
              November 26, 2009 9:57 pm

              Oh no! I hope the situation blows over real soon.

    • spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
      November 27, 2009 2:22 am

      As if Danny Gokey fans were gonna vote for Adam after he got the boot from Idol the week before the finale.

      I can’t believe people are that stupid not to see it?

      19E hyped the Gokey vs Lambert finale from the beginning. So their fans chose camps. Just like in football. Kris was not part of the ‘hatred’ and rivalry. In fact up to the last week Paula, Randy and Simon were promoting the Gokey vs Lambert finale…UNTIL that week when Gokey had his “moment” that lost it for him. His “Scream On” moment and lost that week. Kris was also getting fans from other fanbases who dropped out that despised Gokey and hated the over pimping of Adam. Plus Kris’s Heartless performance helped push him over the top.

      Now anyone with a half a brain would automatically see that Gokey fans were not going to vote for Adam…that would be a cold day in hell, and it was not because of “Homophobia”, it was because of rivalry. Just like in sports.

      So they voted for Kris OVER Adam, so that Adam would not win. Somehow some of Adam’s fans can’t face that fact. They assume everyone loves Adam just like they do.

      There were several sites online describing how to power vote for Adam, even on Adam’s IDF section.

      Also on Dial Idol every time a contestant was voted off, like Matt and Anoop, funny thing happened. The states that they came from started to vote for other people NOT ADAM. Anyone BUT Adam. I guess they also saw the over pimping and fawning by 19E over Adam and voted AGAINST Adam.

      So many people, who can’t think, blame Kris for Adam not getting the crown, who btw the show had been promoting and hyping for months.

      Even that dope Gokey knew it. He said it on the Larry King Live. If that dope can see it I am surprised that some Glambert tards can’t. I guess there are plenty of idiots out there.

      So for people to keep saying it was all conspiracy by Kris fans (when Adam’s fans were doing the same thing) can’t get it through their thick skulls and it shows their level of intelligence.

      • spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
        November 27, 2009 2:34 am

        Sorry other Glamberts, but that was my response to nan, not to you.


      • TopIdol permalink
        November 27, 2009 12:34 pm

        I’ve actually met several people who loved “Adam and Danny”. I didn’t know this was possible. Where did I meet these people, you ask? When the tour was here, so these were people buying tix to the damn tour…devoted fans, I suppose?

        Who knows. Thought it was bizarre.

      • November 27, 2009 8:59 pm

        Just reading that, I don’t understand how anyone could not be a fan just cos the judges were over-pimping. It always pleased me to hear the judges praising Adam. I think this part of the argument doesn’t really hold water. If the judges are over-pimping the artist you like all is well and good – if they are not pimping who you like then – not so good.

        • Starr permalink
          November 28, 2009 1:19 am

          Over-pimping is bad, whether it be for Adam, Danny or anyone else. The complaint about overpimping is not that Adam does not deserve praise. He deserved praise for many a performance. The problem is when that praise remains consistent despite a genuinely bad performance, and yet this same treatment does not apply to other contestants. “One” and “Cryin'” were some of Adam’s weakest performances and yet he got plenty of praise for it. Danny did that “Scream On” performance and he got an A+ for effort? Screw effort, what happened to F for butchering a good song? What made me really mad was during Rock Week, when Kris got the worst reviews of the night, despite being the ONLY one on that stage to actually rearrange a song and make it his own.

          Oh, and it’s also overpimping when Simon asks people to vote for a particular contestant. I don’t care if it’s Adam or Danny- when a judge goes out of his way to tell people that they need to vote for someone in particular, that’s way out of line.

    • Starr permalink
      November 27, 2009 3:48 am

      Oh, nan! Your post is adorable! Look at you making an effort! It’s OK, not everyone is good at Math or Statistics. I mean, all those zeroes in a million? How can we expected to remember how many there are! They should really have some kind of eligibility test for fantards. I feel such second-hand embarrassment towards this post right now.

  11. saskin permalink
    November 26, 2009 8:52 am

    I don’t know why my comment went right in the middle of an other topic also why there are like 20 “usually”s in that last parenthesis. This is almost too real for this century, why can’t we undo/edit?

  12. saskin permalink
    November 26, 2009 8:42 am

    OMG. I’ll go buy a few more copies of the album and give it to my relatives this Xmas (I don’t care if they tease me) for you guys.

    I agree, this kid (and his adorable wife) could have been the greatest holiday story ever told, he could have been outselling SuBo right now. But you can’t change history. If you needed further proof, here you have it: idol guys are idiots.

    Season 8 was about Adam Lambert and Adam Lambert only; the greatest singer of all times. There was also Danny Gokey, who will try manipulate the religious vote to beat him and 11 other kids who are not Adam Lambert. The tour was about Adam Lambert, 11 kids who are not Adam Lambert and the jerk that beat him. 50 states. That was the story told. That is like Titanic. No one can turn that ship around.

    Watching history is a bit like riding in the trunk of a truck. You can only see where you’ve been but you can’t see where you’re going. So, I’ll speculate. I doubt, Simon Fuller & Co. are satisfied with this result. Lambert should have been wiping the floor with SuBo considering the investment they’ve made in him; one whole season of a very popular reality show+one whole tour of a very popular show+the record producing and promoting costs. Some folk might believe that “the press just loooooves him”, I’m not that naive. Some things the press printed were almost like press releases. Makes you wonder. You know? They planned to launch him like they would’ve launched MJ. And what did they gain?

    Some might argue that they’ve already spent the money they’ve spent, so they might be willing to throw some good money after the bad to recoup. But I’ll stick by my opinion that they will try to cut their losses and run because to me it does not make any business sense at all.

    The other kid, your kid, on the other hand will be OK, he is not going to be a superstar but he will be OK. They did not spend a penny to promote him during or after the show, if anything they spent ‘him’ to promote Lambert and after the show they spent maybe the optimal $$ for his record production. He is a lot more cost effective. He just happened to stumble into their hands. He writes his own stuff, he picked a musical style that is not that dependent on looks (which he has) or age, he has a lot of fans, he is really making an impact on the radio, his single is holiday season friendly so I think it will increase spins during the holidays, his whole album is radio friendly, he will probably tour college campuses and small venues which are very cheap to tour, he has a ready audience that he only needs to reach… etc. Idol folk are stupid but business people are usually smarter.

    Maybe I’m being stubborn but until the truck stops I am not going to decide where we arrived.

    (This Idol thing is my early morning guilty pleasure so I’m usually the last to comment. That is why I usually comment on the whole argument rather than my own point of view on the original topic because when I finally wake up and read it there is usually nothing left to say. And I know this post is tl;dr especially for thanksgiving.)

    • isidra permalink
      November 26, 2009 9:32 am

      I never really thought about it, but LLWD IS very holiday friendly, isn’t it? In fact, it’s probably the most holiday friendly song on the album.

      I like the song, but wondered why they’d pick it over some of the other songs which are clearly better for pop radio (Such as Before We Come Undone, or Alright With Me, in my opinion) but none of the songs I think best suit radio are particularly holiday friendly. His management is cleverer than I thought.

    • auntieaimee permalink
      November 26, 2009 10:49 am

      Great analysis, Saskin. I agree with you.

    • 12cubed permalink
      November 26, 2009 2:55 pm

      Some folk might believe that β€œthe press just loooooves him”, I’m not that naive. Some things the press printed were almost like press releases. Makes you wonder. You know?

      I feel exactly the same way.

      I agree, this kid (and his adorable wife) could have been the greatest holiday story ever told, he could have been outselling SuBo right now. But you can’t change history. If you needed further proof, here you have it: idol guys are idiots.

      Sigh. It’s been a tough several months for Kris fans–and probably tougher for Kris.

    • calico permalink
      November 26, 2009 4:16 pm

      Between Top Idol’s post (see, I do know where I am) and saskin’s comment it’s more like Christmas than Thanksgiving in here this morning for a Kris fan. Could not agree more saskin. Not tl at all.

      • Lynn permalink
        November 26, 2009 8:19 pm


        Thank you all for Krismas!

    • 12cubed permalink
      November 26, 2009 6:38 pm

      They did not spend a penny to promote him during or after the show, if anything they spent β€˜him’ to promote Lambert and after the show they spent maybe the optimal $$ for his record production.

      A truckload of WORD. Truer words were never spoken. It’s sad, and frustrating, and more than a little indicative of the stupidity of 19/Sony. They’ve got a likeable, marketable, talented winner on their hands and they’re using him as a tool to continue and prop up Lambert.

    • GlambertNumberThree permalink
      November 26, 2009 6:53 pm

      How exactly did they “spend” Kris Allen to promote Adam? 19 can’t help it if one of their contestants is a natural attention magnet and a once in a lifetime talent, and the other is a boring coffeehouse guy who only won because America couldn’t handle a gay Idol.

      I bet you can’t give me a single example of the Idol franchise deliberately sabotaging Kris to help Adam. You tards are just looking for any excuse for the miserable sales numbers.

      • catharsisfromschool permalink
        November 27, 2009 1:02 am

        Calling people tards using that username… I am laughing my ass off.

      • Starr permalink
        November 27, 2009 3:34 am

        A “natural attention magnet” is just a nicer way to say “fame whore”, but whatever gets you through the day, love.

    • feeny4evr permalink
      November 26, 2009 7:20 pm

      This is fantastic. I agree πŸ˜€

    • 12cubed permalink
      November 26, 2009 7:41 pm

      saskin, I’d love to hear more of your thoughts on how 19 “spent” Kris to help Adam. I can think of a few things, but I’m wondering how this looks from the perspective of someone who isn’t a Kris fan, like myself (yes, I am a tard. Heh.)

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 26, 2009 8:07 pm

      Nothing quite says rock and roll like “cost effectiveness.”

  13. November 26, 2009 7:53 am

    Hey TI!

    I couldn’t help myself but delurk to let you know how much I totally agree with this article. You said everything I wanted to say in one breath (and more!)


  14. November 26, 2009 5:16 am

    This is a good post! Am almost convinced. But it is a flaw of my character that I am very open to suggestion – would be a hypnotherapist’s dream client. Kris is ok, mildly amusing, nice voice, good looking, tv and radio friendly. He should do fine. When I first watched Idol on Ring of Fire night, I pegged Kris, Gokey and Adam for top 3. That later changed to Allison for top 3, Gokey out! But I admit the only reason Kris is still on my radar really is because of the connection with Adam. Sorry, but it’s true. Idol is a double edged sword – you get your fame from it but also the snobbery by some that it is not valid entry to the music industry. But with the right mix of professional support, fan support and a hint of luck will normally ensure that true talent gets the success it deserves. Good luck to Kris. And he tweeted the day after AMAs for people to go buy Adam’s cd. Great timing and a sweet gesture. Love him for that.

  15. feeny4evr permalink
    November 26, 2009 4:57 am

    This post gives my poor Kris loving soul well deserved rest. I have never EVER been this devoted to an Idol (and that’s a sad fact since a former Idol contestant was a close neighbor of mine..) and before season 7 the closest I came to watching the dumb show was one random episode of Canadian idol I saw while on vacation. I think the reason that I grew attached to him was because his chill personality still managed to create great music. That being said…
    I’ve been so sick of the Adam fame whoring fest the last few days that it’s starting to severely turn me off to him (which is sad because at one point I liked him well enough) and I’m glad there is somewhere that recognizes the guy who relies on his music (shock!) instead of his stunts to gain popularity. I do believe that karma WILL kick in eventually and poetic justice will happen and, just like on the stupid show, he will overcome the stigma and he will come out on top. Karma’s a bitch, but it works.

    • November 26, 2009 4:20 pm

      Hey I understand your point, you never were a fan of reality music shows before, you saw Kris and boom! Same goes for me – only that happened when I saw Adam. Adam, as a person, has only ever supported Kris, they love each other as friends both have admitted that, they support each other, twitter each other’s albums etc. Why are you blaming Adam and wishing bad karma on him? Kris WON American Idol. He got the contract that all the contestants were hoping for. Just so happens so did Adam and Allison. You know, just because Adam is in the headlines more does not make him worthy of blame regarding Kris. Adam does his thing, Kris does his. Adam has not set out his whole career with the aim of undermining Kris. Though coming to think of it, there is some uncertainty in AO ranks at the moment regarding the meaning of Adam’s bonus track “Masterplan”. Oooh, bet the masterplan was to let Kris win American Idol, then totally outdo him in publicity and album sales! Yeah that’s it. Adam is a bastard and worthy of all the shitty karma coming his way.

      • feeny4evr permalink
        November 26, 2009 7:12 pm

        Look dude, I never said I wished bad karma on Adam.. just good karma on Kris. I truly hope Adam gets control of the monster that is the media around him because frankly I want to like him, the media (which I know he can’t control) is making it hard for me. It’s the same for the likes of Lady Gaga. I think they’d both be great and fine without the stunts. And I’m well aware of the support that both Kris and Adam give each other. It warmed my heart. I think what mostly irritates me are the crazy Adam fans that feel the need to do an I-told-you-so dance on any post that even has the audacity to say anything nice about Kris. That just might be what’s really getting me. But I do wish Adam the best (no bad karma and no more fame whorish press). I even bought his album and I like a few tracks. So lay off man…

        • November 27, 2009 5:53 am

          Thanks for explaining – I took yr comment the wrong way – sorry πŸ™‚

  16. magnacarta permalink
    November 26, 2009 3:22 am

    Kris Allen’s album is the only album I’ve bought from the American Idol thing. I’ve been a fan of a few other idol contestants (Michael Johns, David Cook), but never enough to go buy their albums.

    This guy is crazy talented, and his music is actually exactly what’s popular. I really hope his next numbers make up for this week’s disappointment.

    I have to wonder if the numbers include sales in other countries…

  17. erinnthered permalink
    November 26, 2009 3:18 am

    Yeah, Flipside is a regional burn. I have friends who do it. The last three years I tried to work it out with them, but either money or timing kept getting in the way. I think the reason they only do the regional burn is the expense. One installation a year is enough.

    That’s my next issue then. Finding a camp. Are there camps looking for people? Places to meet people who want to do a theme camp? Any idea? If I do this the old fashioned way, it could be another 4 years before I work this out. I just moved to a new state!

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 26, 2009 3:22 am

      I decided to go about a month before. Found a camp then, too. It’s really not difficult, and I’m not planning any art installations anytime soon. That’s the beauty of it. You can do whatever you want. I plan on volunteering at Media Mecca or something this year, but even if you just help cook meals for your camp, you’re fine. And I did it somewhat cheaply, of course, I’m not building anything and I am never going to bring a ton of costumes. I had a suitcase, two bins (that probably could be reduced to one in retrospect), a tent and a sleeping bag.

      • erinnthered permalink
        November 26, 2009 4:12 am

        Sweet! Volunteering actually sounds like a great way to participate. I guess I’ll try to plan on it, and get to looking in the Spring. Did you use the BM message boards?

  18. calico permalink
    November 26, 2009 2:44 am

    “Also, thought this might lift the spirits of Kristards a bit. My contact from SonyBMG said Kris Allen’s album has sold out in my country.”

    Aww, thanks for that Verbally Dyslexic (I was going to use your intitials but, uh, no). It’s been a rough couple days for Kristards. Hell, it’s been a rough 6 months. So thanks Idol Tard for a great read. I listen to adult alternative pretty much exclusively, and Kris would fit nicely into that format. Hopefully, someday, he can shed the Idol stigma and be accepted there. Maybe the 19Evil shunning of the talented and decent Kris Allen isn’t such a bad thing in the long run.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 26, 2009 2:45 am

      I’m not Idol Tard πŸ™‚

      • calico permalink
        November 26, 2009 3:00 am

        Oh shit. Sorry about that. It’s late. And sorry Idletard. Two birds with one stone.

      • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
        November 26, 2009 3:10 am


        I am very amused πŸ™‚

  19. Sandy permalink
    November 26, 2009 2:12 am

    I bought Kris Allen’s CD from Walmart today and I really like many of the songs on it. I’m a big fan of David Cook’s and for me none of season 8’s contestants measured up to him but I did enjoy most of Kris’s performances and he has been steadily growing on me. Walmart had Allen Lambert’s CD’s more prominently displayed than Kris’s with a sticker on it proclaiming it the most anticipated album of the year. They had it on sale for $9.99 while Kris’s was full price at $13.88. I only liked a few of Adam’s Idol performances and his AMA disaster did nothing to persuade me to give his CD a chance so I passed on it. I hate seeing Kris Allen as the winner being shortchanged as he has been and Adam seems to have had so much just handed to him without having earned it. I wonder if he will be able to live up to the hype.

    • CB Radio permalink
      November 26, 2009 6:04 am

      That’s funny cuz in my WM, Adam’s CD also said $9.99 on it and Kris’s CD said $13.88. Now if you were just curious about Kris’s CD and weren’t actually gonna buy it, you wouldn’t have known that it will actually ring up at $9.99 at the check out. But if you only have $11 and you had a choice between one that said $9.99 and one that said $13.88, well, obviously you’ll buy the one you can “afford” thinking the other one is more expensive.

      Yet another way to make it harder for Kris to succeed, huh?

      • Sandy permalink
        November 26, 2009 4:50 pm

        Did yours ring up at $9.99? My receipt says $13.88. The price difference doesn’t make a difference to me personally but money is tight for a lot of people and for someone who liked both guys but could only afford one they might just buy only Adam’s.

  20. November 26, 2009 1:52 am

    Have to make a confession. I got one of those snuggies for my birthday, and I love the thing. Used to think they were so silly, but damn if they aren’t warm. I’m just jealous of the person who invented it. So simple, and they are probably rolling in $$$.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 26, 2009 1:58 am

      My friend, Ronny, has been randomly texting me about Snuggies for the last 10 minutes. I also had to explain the Slanket. I was going to do a Snuggie Happy Hour at Burning Man so I bought one. I figured people might bring Snuggies. But it didn’t get cold enough for one and I never took mine out of the bag (its now in my closet), nor did I go out of my way to promote it. Next year, I will be doing a Jonestown Happy Hour, where I will serve kool-aid mixed with Everclear and everyone will lie down in the dome after drinking it and listen to my creepy-uncle friend who loves leering at women speak into a megaphone and/or the original Jim Jones tapes…

      Yeah…I know I’m a little twisted.

      • erinnthered permalink
        November 26, 2009 2:04 am

        Shut up! That sounds awesome. I wish I didn’t burst into flames after 10 minutes in the sun, or I’d totally crash. Burning Man was always off my list because of that.

        • TopIdol permalink
          November 26, 2009 2:11 am

          Wear a hat and SPF 30 πŸ™‚

          • erinnthered permalink
            November 26, 2009 2:24 am

            Try SPF 80…I suppose I could decorate an umbrella/ parasol…gah! This is in my part of world now, isn’t it? Maybe…

            • TopIdol permalink
              November 26, 2009 2:28 am

              Oh yeah. Parasols are very popular.

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              Sigh…I miss HOME.

            • erinnthered permalink
              November 26, 2009 2:47 am

              I’m thinking, I’m thinking…how does this work anyway? Do you need to be part of a collective? I know it’s like that for Flipside.

              • TopIdol permalink
                November 26, 2009 2:56 am

                Yes and no. Flipside is like a mini/quasi BM. I think its a regional burn? There are a good number of people who actually only do regional burns.

                It helps to get in with a camp. There are people who go on their own, lots of them, but I think the camp or theme camp is the best way to do it.

                • erinnthered permalink
                  November 26, 2009 3:19 am

                  Hee. My reply is above yours. Must’ve pushed the wrong “reply” button.

      • deez permalink
        November 26, 2009 2:13 am

        Everclear and Koolaid? I made a really bad impression on the RA of my dorm floor after drinking 12 cups of that one time.

        • TopIdol permalink
          November 26, 2009 2:18 am

          I will probably use Flavor-Aid, as this is historically accurate. Kool-Aid only made up a few of the packets used in the Jonestown brew, yet, its brand/market dominance was solidified after the massacre.

          Hey, Everclear is better than cyanide.

          • LeighKat permalink
            November 26, 2009 12:42 pm

            EVERCLEAR is an elixir sent straight from Hell! lol! A bottle of that made it’s way to a NorthSide (area of Cayman) group getaway earlier this year and this light weight nearly died after one shot of the stuff.
            Needless to say, that was one fun weekend!

            • TopIdol permalink
              November 26, 2009 1:44 pm

              So is Hell on the NorthSide? Because I know “Hell” is in Cayman πŸ™‚

  21. kimberly permalink
    November 26, 2009 1:48 am

    I only really started watching American Idol Season 7. My mom passed away unexpectedly that December and my daughter and I needed to escape and to be entertained. IDOL fit the bill. It was the first year, I got caught up in the show. I loved it and I hated it. David Cook was my favorite that season. I continued to watch into Season 8 to catch a glimpse of David Cook. I immediately hated the changes they made to Season 8 and I hated the obvious favoritism that began right from the start. When Danny Gokey sang the Whitney? song, I told my daughter I wasn’t going to watch anymore. She begged me to watch it with her and I relented.

    Then along came this adorable guy that pretty much bounced around the stage in the group song with so much joy, I couldn’t stop watching him. Whenever he sang, he had such unbridled joy, it was infectious. Even MJ week when he hit a few pitchy notes, I actually laughed because he was so darn boyish and cute. I still recall when Anoop got bottom 3 how devastated Kris looked and I pretty much believed Kris would have traded places with Anoop then and there because he knew his performance had not been better than Anoop’s. I knew then Kris was the real deal, a better human being than most and a geuninely good and kind soul. He pretty much owned me then.

    And he still does and the best part of it is I like his music. I genuinely like it. My daughter and I ran some errands today and it’s just so much fun driving along and singing loudly to Alright With Me. That song just makes me smile. So many good songs on the CD.

    My 16 year old son told me that once Kris gets away from the IDOL stigma, guys like him would buy his music. He thinks that might be the only thing holding them back. He said he likes Kris’s music, but wants it to be more acoustic. This was in response to me saying that if he didn’t know Kris was from IDOL, he would love Kris’ music. He didn’t deny it.

    Being a music snob, after purchasing a Daughtry CD, my first Idol purchase ever, I would flip the CD over so know one would see who it was. I didn’t want people to know, I was listening to American Idol music. David Cook’s CD was the next purchase and again, I wasn’t shouting my love for his music from the rooftops. I found myself hiding his CD away from prying eyes as well.

    Kris is a different story. I want people to hear it, I want people to know who he is and that his music is good. His video is cool and doesn’t warrant second-hand embarrassment. His music is cool and he is damn cool, as well. He’s so “chill”, very James Dean-ish and I get more of a Elvis vibe in Kris than I do in Adam. Quiet, low-key, very cool. It’s not fake at all.

    There’s something about this guy. If all these people that are here professing their love for Kris can see it, others will as well. I don’t think 19R/Jive are that blind. I think Fuller and everyone Kris encounters have been won over by him. I think he’s got a good musical future ahead of him and he is still young to learn and grow. The world is his for the taking. But this guy will make sure he gives back as well. How can you not love him when he says he hasn’t spent any of his money yet.

    I swear I will never become this invested again in another IDOL contestant. It’s beyond insane and seriously unhealthy. My husband questions my mental health on a regular basis, as do I. A novel partially written and left to languish, stacks of books covered in dust — time to get back to my life. I pray to all that’s holy, season 9 don’t you dare suck me in …

    • Starr permalink
      November 26, 2009 6:13 am

      I want to roll around in your post. AMEN to all that, AMEN. Especially the part about the second-hand embarrassment! I don’t mind showing off Kris’s CD. He’s kind of hot and his album cover has that James Dean quality to it. And yes, his video is definitely devoid of the queso that you don’t feel like minimizing the screen when someone walks into the room LOL

    • November 26, 2009 11:46 am

      Jeez Kimberley, we have a little more in common than I would have thought. Sadly, my unfinished work consists mainly of ironing rather than novels πŸ™‚

    • Lakshmi permalink
      November 26, 2009 8:01 pm

      Kimberly, I just wanted to say that I always enjoy reading your comments on this site. I also started watching Idol during the worst year of my life (season 6). Though it wasn’t anything close to what you and your family were going through, I know all about reality television as escapism.

      You’ve almost convinced me to by Kris’ album. πŸ™‚ Happy Thanksgiving!

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 27, 2009 12:36 am

        I only saw a couple episodes of Season 6. I escaped watching it b/c I as in Europe for all of January, so there was no reason to get “hooked”. I only turned it once to see that guy named Sanjaya I kept hearing about. All of it was very underwhelming. And that little nasty beat-boxing troll gave me the heebie jeebies.

  22. Lynn permalink
    November 26, 2009 1:26 am

    hahaha just realized what I said above is gonna drove a lot of glamberts crazy since I’m sure they believe Adam should have won.

  23. Lynn permalink
    November 26, 2009 1:22 am

    Well, during AI S8 I kept thinking how unjust the show was for pimping Adam and Danny while constantly throwing Kris and Allison under the bus. But in the end, Kris won and for the first time in my life, I thought there was justice afterall. However, I knew then his won will come with a huge price but just didn’t know it’ll be this huge… Hopefully justice will prevail sooner or later again.

    • kimberly permalink
      November 26, 2009 2:03 am

      Today, a woman in a booth across from me at a neighborhood diner was pretty upset, unaware of how loudly she was talking on her phone. I overheard part of her conversation, a serious squabble with her brother over their mother’s estate. He sounded like a real dick. When I was leaving the diner, I said to her, “I’m a true believer in karma. Happy Thanksgiving.” At first, she seemed confused, but then she said to me, “I hope so. I hope you’re right.”

      Good karma brings good things. Kris has got it in the bag. ::grin::

    • Starr permalink
      November 26, 2009 6:10 am

      Dude I feel the exact same way. I honestly never expected Kris would win, let alone make it to the top 13 through votes and not Wild Card. I loved his performance of “Man in the Mirror” but thought that America would never vote for a guy who was this low-key and who dressed like a guy you’d run into at your local Borders. Color me shocked when he got voted in. I was as surprised as Kris. Never expected him to make it all the way to the end either. I guess you could say my experience with Top 40 and what is supposedly considered “good music” by the majority of America is not very good LOL so I had very low expectations in people’s taste level. Yup, I’m kind of a snob.

      I had voted for him like crazy during finale night, but after I did I started to realize that if he won, those crazy batshit Glamberts would be all over Kris and tear him to shreds. But the idealistic music lover in me kept interrupting and saying crazy fans of another person should not deter the guy who you personally think is the best artist to win the show. After all, isn’t that what American Idol is all about? Finding the best UNDISCOVERED talent out there? Lambert probably would have made it anyway even if he never cracked the top 5. He’s a Hollywood guy; he probably knows how to schmooze with the right people.

  24. dianne permalink
    November 26, 2009 1:18 am

    Well done on this article. Finally a writer who makes sense and writes with thought and insight. So lacking with most articles and reviewers right now. Well no, actually since season 8 began most coverage has been biased crap.

    Just a question now, I read somewhere on one of the websites that i-Tunes(or Amazon?) had Adams album on sale for .99 on the first day of release. This could really make sales look skewed couldn’t it. I’m not really hung up on these numbers but many people do seem to start making unfair comparisons when they see sales numbers.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 26, 2009 1:20 am

      That is true. It was $3.99 but there was some coupon or something and you could buy it for $0.99.

      • blacklisted permalink
        November 26, 2009 1:52 am

        Yep, I got Adam’s album for .99 cents. Yeah, me! I was going to buy it when I got Allison’s CD but 99 cents was to0 good an offer.

        I ordered Kris’ CD from Deep Discount and those mofos haven’t mailed it to me yet. One day I’ll get it. For now I’ve got an illegally downloaded version which will have to make due.

  25. sosad permalink
    November 26, 2009 12:33 am

    It is very sad how Lambert is continually pimped & allowed to get away w/murder & Kris is just there, being the nice guy that he is. What a waste. Maybe he doesn’t like all that hype, I am kind of thinking that he really doesn’t. Who could blame him after all of the Glambert fiascoes. I guess 19E figures that they are going to pump cash-cow Lambert for as long as they can until next season starts, which is gonna be soon.

  26. sosad permalink
    November 26, 2009 12:24 am

    Kris is the real deal. I wish his music didn’t put me to sleep though, but it’s probably related to 19E music & inexperience. I think he’s just going to get better w/time..and he’s not a fame whore which is pretty refreshing. He does seem like a genuinely nice guy & he has a good sense of humor, especially about himself.

  27. November 26, 2009 12:06 am

    I am a casual AI viewer and have never voted for a contestant on the show, but I got dragged to an AI concert by a friend…free ticket and drinks why the hell not. I was just extremeley impressed by Kris and then started following…he is funny as hell…..and gasp…actually about the music.

  28. SarahBeth permalink
    November 25, 2009 11:58 pm

    I also cannot get over how adorable Kris and his wife are. They looked STUNNING at the AMA’s together. And also the US Weekly party.

  29. sahsouha1 permalink
    November 25, 2009 11:10 pm

    I agree with every single word u said..Kris is an amazing amazing personn..most talented artist that I have seen in years..beautiful voice..a genuine person..& yet the stupid Jive/19 they don’t have a clue on how to use this fortune in their hands in the right way..I seriously don’t believe them..I Live in NY & round every block I see posters to Adam’s Album..& I can’t be happier for him..but where is Kris’s??I tell u nowhere to be kills me..I adore the guy..I love Adam too..but Adam knows how to market himself without the help of RCA/19, while Kris doesn’t..they r killing him before he starts..and i hope to God that it’s not intentional..because I can’t think any other way! It breaks my hart to see his incredible..soulful album to be selling only 80000 copies in the first come..the people who follow him on twitter are double this number how come he is selling tat seriously beyond me???

    • deez permalink
      November 25, 2009 11:29 pm

      You think if over 100,000 bother to follow him on Twitter, they could likewise drop ten bucks for an album.

      • LeighKat permalink
        November 26, 2009 12:06 am

        note: Many of his fans are outside of the US- some countries don’t have iTunes (like where I live)- so I ended up getting a gift card and using a friends US address so I could buy the album.

        No Walmart where I live either.

        • TopIdol permalink
          November 26, 2009 12:17 am

          But there is the Tortuga Rum Cake and Big Black Dick emporiums! Why the hell would you need Walmart?

          • LeighKat permalink
            November 26, 2009 12:35 pm

            LMAO!!! I will just run over to Mr. Hammity right now and tell him that his Rum Cake factory needs to stock some Kris Allen CDs! lol!!

            • TopIdol permalink
              November 26, 2009 1:44 pm

              LeighKat is gonna street team the Tortuga Rum Cake factory!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
        November 26, 2009 12:28 am

        Maybe they think he’s a comedian and not a musician.

  30. nekola permalink
    November 25, 2009 10:51 pm

    Coming out of lurkdome to say Thank You, TI. I agree with you that 19/Jive should go after the indie market. I think that Kris has massive crossover potential. I am usually a R&B/Hip-Hop type of gal. I haven’t bought a pop album in 7 years before I bought his. Not only that, I bought the iTunes pass and I bought the Wal-mart CD to get the freakin’ bonus track! I NEVER do that!

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 25, 2009 10:53 pm

      I don’t think I’ve heard the bonus track. That’s funny you went to Wal-Mart just to get it.

      • nekola permalink
        November 25, 2009 11:13 pm

        The Wal-Mart bonus track is the one Kris co-wrote with Chris Daughtry “Send Me All Your Angels.” The song is OK, but I think the iTunes bonus track is better. And yes, I can’t believe I went to Wal-Mart myself since the three stores that are in my area are at the minimum a 30 minute drive and I pretty much never go to Wal-Mart. Oh well, at least I camouflaged my kristardness when I bought a bunch of household items as well! πŸ™‚

      • deez permalink
        November 25, 2009 11:25 pm

        Idol has some sort of tie-in with WalMart don’t they? I just find it odd that there is NO in-store promotion. (ZERO for Adam either) If they are giving Kris an exclusive bonus track, why would they not try to sell it? I bought the CD there, and I had to look for it. Don’t understand the lack of visibility. Come on WalMart, step it up; he’s your hometown boy!

        • erinnthered permalink
          November 26, 2009 1:16 am

          Actually this is good. If they know he’s not gonna have top heavy sales, then why waste the money now? Save it, let him build an audience through radio play and performances, and then use the money to promote a second single. This is a good sign for his relationship with Jive. Either they never planned to promote him at all, or they knew all along it would take time. The recent statement makes me think the latter. If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t bother saying anything at all.

          • isidra permalink
            November 26, 2009 9:38 am

            I agree. That’s the kind of thing that makes me think that Jive is all right with Kris’s numbers so far. They know that you don’t get anything big immediately without spending a lot of money, so they’re letting it grow organically.

            And, really, even with lower sales, since they’ve spent less money on production of the record than other contestants, they’ll see more of a profit.

        • November 26, 2009 1:47 am

          I noticed this too. I was in WalMart today (note: NEVER EVER go to WalMart the night before TG, it was like a circus!) and I walked by the music area and didn’t see either Kris or Adam. In years past it seemed like they had these big displays so when you walked by you’d notice, but both their CDs were in the regular CD area, kind of hidden. Just found that odd b/c AI stuff is usually heavily promoted at my WM.

          • deez permalink
            November 26, 2009 2:06 am

            After my last comment, I figured…eh, why the heck not…so I went to Wal Mart’s website. Their contact form said you could send feedback to corporate. I typed a short polite note stating that I was a regular customer, and wanted to buy the AI winner’s album; however, I found it difficult to locate, and was surprised to see no in-store promo. I suggested (nicely of course) that AI has a lot of fans who wish to buy albums and visibility of the product would be appreciated. When I clicked “send”, I was prompted to enter a zip code which routed me to my local store.
            WTF is that? I wanted this to go to freakin HQ not the stupid store 10 min from my house.

            That’s what I get for trying, I guess. That’ll teach me to tard.

            • erinnthered permalink
              November 26, 2009 2:15 am

              Won’t matter. In store promo comes from the label. It has nothing to do with the the store in large retail chains like that. Jive didn’t send out the materials, so Wal-mart couldn’t put them up.

              If he were a smaller artist in a retail music store or music store-like department (Border’s, B&N, etc), then there are some cases where materials come in and they don’t get put up. With an Idol? No way. That would come in the box from corporate, and be required. I used to have to deal with this stuff.

            • deez permalink
              November 26, 2009 2:21 am

              Hmmmmm. That sounds even worse.

            • November 26, 2009 4:51 pm

              You have no creativity or stamina. A wuss-tard. Take a few lessons from Glamberts, they have commitment, vision AND success. Okay, they may have only stubs now instead of proper working fingers due to excessive dialling, voting and commenting online, but who needs fingers anyway when your idol’ success it at stake? Could you not have travelled to HQ to tell them? Any tard worth it’s salt would’ve. Get with it man! I have little sympathy for Failtards! πŸ™‚

            • deez permalink
              November 26, 2009 9:18 pm

              Lol Lamberkitten, I admit I am nowhere near as committed as the typical Glambert.
              And…( walking thru the open door) I’m sure a few of them should be…:)

    • Starr permalink
      November 25, 2009 11:05 pm

      OK, confession? I pre-ordered Kris’s CD on Amazon because I collect hard copy CDs too, but since I’m new to the whole Idol thing, I didn’t know the winners had contracts with Wal-Mart where they release a special edition copy with a bonus track. So when I heard they did I was bummed because I already ordered his CD off Amazon. I got so excited on release day when the album came out that I went to Wal-Mart at freakin’ midnight just to get his CD. It felt SO weird. I’ve never done that for any band I’ve tarded on (well, probably because they never released special copies to Wal-Mart).

      Damn you, Kris Allen.

      • carmine2008 permalink
        November 26, 2009 12:40 pm

        You have better luck than me. I went to the music stores near my workplace during lunch the entire week last week and got scorned (it was not available until today). Yes. I’m a Kristard and I’m proud of it!!!

  31. Starr permalink
    November 25, 2009 10:47 pm

    Can there be a “From the Ashes” appreciation post? Because that song rocks. It’s like Paramore meets Incubus or something. I’m so psyched they decided to release that song as a bonus track. It’s got a fucking sitar for crying out loud! WIN. And I could already see it in the soundtrack for the next Spiderman movie or something.

  32. ljr permalink
    November 25, 2009 10:46 pm

    I agree with your whole post – except Kris Allen’s s not more likeable than David Cook. He may be as likeable, but not more likeable. David Cook is the only Idol I’d ever consider tarding over.

    • Starr permalink
      November 25, 2009 11:10 pm

      It’s a matter of personal preference I guess. While Cook was on Idol what turned me off of him was he came off as cocky and smug sometimes. He probably didn’t intend to. But I guess I’m the type of person who doesn’t really care for people mooning the camera when they sing, and Kris never really did that. I can relate more to Kris because if I were in his shoes, I’d feel stupid mooning at the camera too.

      • ljr permalink
        November 25, 2009 11:31 pm

        yeah it is personal preference. I’ve followed Cook (not stalked, heh) since he won, and he never comes off as smug in interviews or in the 3 concerts I’ve seen. I think he learned how to sing to the camera on TV; at concerts he connects really well with the audience.
        anyway, Kris is likable, I hope he does well.

  33. Muzicizme permalink
    November 25, 2009 10:37 pm

    I just stumbled in here, and love the neighborhood. Is there a room for rent? I could put a cot in the laundry room. I don’t take up much space. All I need is room for the box that my stores my Skymall butt.

    I would love to see Kris tour with David Cook. If The Script can open for David, then Kris could, too.

  34. Nich permalink
    November 25, 2009 10:32 pm

    I’m totally tarding over Kris. I should be more ashamed than I am.

  35. LeighKat permalink
    November 25, 2009 10:09 pm

    TI- I love your writing style! This post was solid gold. Thank you for your insight- you know I am a Kristard- through and through- saying it LOUD and PROUD- hehe! Hell, under “related posts”, my Idol Concert Recap is in the list!

    While I know that Kris has said time and time again that he’s not an actor – I think he would have fun getting involved with some of the things you mentioned. His interviews,his short moment on VH-1 Best Week Ever, his tweets- Kris could really do well in some TV spots. Even his less than 2 minute interview on Ellen made the audience fall in love.

    I notice a diehard Adam fan posted Kris’s less than stellar presentation at the AMAs- may I ask WHO could have made that shitty script come off as funny? Ummm… the man didn’t have much to work with, don’t rag on him because of that.

    I believe that Kris will continue to do well and I think he will gain the respect of his industry peers and music lovers worldwide. I am happy to see that his label issued a statement underlining their confidence in him- let’s just hope they pick up on what you’ve outlined and make the most of this diamond in the rough πŸ™‚

    End tarding.

    • Claire permalink
      November 25, 2009 10:35 pm

      I didn’t watch the AMAs, but something tells me his teleprompter reading couldn’t possibly be as bad as Anna Nicole Smith’s trainwreck from a few years ago when she introduced Kanye West.

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 25, 2009 10:43 pm

        And I doubt HBD is gonna go out that way, either.

    • erinnthered permalink
      November 26, 2009 1:06 am

      I thought Best Week Ever too, but it’s been canceled. I believe they kept the blog running.

      I agree with TI that a spot on Adult Swim, or maybe even G4 or Spike, would do him good. You know, the best thing would be for him to hook up with some of the people who contribute to Funny or Die. Viral videos are hit or miss, but even a decent miss would give him more credibility.

      I’d laugh if he managed to get a spot at Coachella…then sheepishly wander in the direction of his stage as though I found myself there by accident (as long as he isn’t up against something crazy awesome I haven’t seen before). lol. Bonarroo or ACL seem more his crowd. One of these days an Idol needs to try the festival route to gain new fans. Now is as good a time as any.

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 26, 2009 1:12 am

        I have a friend from high school who works for the company that puts on Bonaroo. Pretty high position, too…hmmmm…..

        • erinnthered permalink
          November 26, 2009 1:31 am

          You know, they have a ton of stages, and he wouldn’t even need to be on the big two. I saw Lilly Allen in one of the second tier tents. πŸ˜‰

          Dammit, I don’t live within driving distance of Tennessee anymore. 😦

          The key is whispering it in the ears of someone at Jive or 19M. Festivals are great strategy for him. A cheap and an easy way to gain fans. I just don’t think the people who manage him have ever thought that way before. I’ve run into all kinds of people since I got here. If I’m in a position with the right person, where it won’t damage my career in the process, I’m throwing it out there.

          • TopIdol permalink
            November 26, 2009 1:37 am

            Yeah. Why haven’t they ever stuck any on the festival circuit? I am going to ask my Bonarroo friend to see how it all works.

            • erinnthered permalink
              November 26, 2009 1:40 am

              Honestly, I’d love to know what your friend says. Not just for Kris, but in general. I have a close friend who’s an up and comer who could benefit.

            • Starr permalink
              November 26, 2009 6:01 am

              That’s an awesome idea. Do you think, though, that a festival like Bonaroo would be concerned about their street cred being in danger if they booked an Idol winner? Personally, I think that’s the only thing that keeps some people from listening to his stuff. Unless of course, you sneak Kris’s album into their iPods or whatever and conveniently leave out the fact that he won Idol…which is what I’ve been doing to my boyfriend lately. I slipped him “Alright With Me” on one of the mix CDs I make him and labeled it “Unknown white guy with guitar” (he knows I tard over Kris and I forced him to vote for the guy a couple of times while the show was on LOL) and he loves the song. I wonder when the right time would be to break the news that he’s been listening to an Idol winner’s song all this time…it would break him, I tell you. πŸ˜€

        • CB Radio permalink
          November 26, 2009 5:51 am

          Ooooh …. I see the wheels in your mind turning re Bonarroo. Perhaps you can call in a “favor”? πŸ˜‰

          Was just thinking those music festivals are a good way to promote Kris. Large crowds but he doesn’t have the pressure of performing all by himself through the entire concert. Can play 3-4 songs maybe and pick up new fans along the way.

          If Jive is serious about promoting him abroad, Isle of Wight in the UK comes to mind.

          • Starr permalink
            November 27, 2009 3:25 am

            I think he should play a few things at BBC Radio 1. If freakin’ Justin Bieber the devil child can perform there, dammit, Kris should be able to.

            • TopIdol permalink
              November 27, 2009 1:51 pm

              The Moppet of Beelzebub played BBC Radio 1?

              THAT IS JUST WRONG!!!!!

  36. Lynn permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:59 pm

    what does HBD stand for?

    • Lakshmi permalink
      November 25, 2009 10:41 pm

      Hot By Default.

      • Starr permalink
        November 25, 2009 10:50 pm

        LOL “hot by default?” Ahahahahaha I love this. He definitely is hot by default. The guy doesn’t even do anything and he’s hot. He’s pretty damn photogenic. And it doesn’t help that he has a killer bod, too. I mean, those Henleys are a godsend in terms of accentuating all that hotness.

        I admit, I tard over him 50% because he’s a hottie.

  37. Mac permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:57 pm

    I’m tarding over this post, Melinda. A++++.

  38. blacklisted permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:55 pm

    I could have written this piece, that’s how much it hits home.

    I have never watched AI but got sucked into downloading the performances post-finale.

    As a snotty east coast, better than thou, music snob, the idea of buying an album of a ‘reality star’ or worse, attending an AI tour, was unfathomable. And yet, here I am.

    After years of mocking reality tv and everyone associated with it, I find myself interested in someone coming out of that manipulated arena. Funniest part was that HBD was the one thing that the show couldn’t manipulate. Sure, they could ignore him and give him the number two singng spot 10 weeks in a row, yet still, he prevailed.

    The guy’s genuineness comes though. That along with his musicianship is what won over the toughest crowd in the room, ie. those of us who didn’t even want to be at that party.

    IMO Kris is the kind of guy that sneaks up on you and slowly you find yourself interested. I know that happened to me, one week I was poking fun and the next moment I realized he was the real deal. He is a musician, an artist. One that’s young but one that has shown that he can grow. That’s one reason I think he’s got a lot of potential outside of AI. And for that, I’m thankful.

  39. Lynn permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:53 pm

    Verbally Dyslexic, what country are you from?

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 25, 2009 10:11 pm

      The smallest one.

      Only kidding πŸ™‚

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 25, 2009 10:22 pm

        This is the first time I’ve seen your new avatar Too damn funny.

        • lauren722 permalink
          November 26, 2009 2:55 pm

          I know! 8sourcandy, how did you make that?

      • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
        November 25, 2009 11:44 pm

        Size doesn’t matter. πŸ™‚

    • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
      November 25, 2009 11:48 pm

      I’m from Malaysia. Don’t go rooting around for background info now. πŸ™‚

      • Lynn permalink
        November 26, 2009 11:36 pm

        So Kris CDs are sold out in Malaysia?!! WOW I’m so happy as I’m from Singapore originally. So hopefully it’ll sell out in Singapore too..

        • Lynn permalink
          November 26, 2009 11:38 pm

          Btw, Malaysia is not a small country but Singapore is.

          • themightyrose permalink
            December 1, 2009 12:17 am

            malaysia is small enough to fit in the great lakes…

            anyway, last weekend i went looking for kris’ cd in pj, that’s where i live, but couldn’t find it, was very upset coz i thought it’s not sold in this country; so am totally excited to know now that it’s sold out! i mean, how freakin awesome is that?!

            p/s oh TI, i freakin love you for this article.

  40. Verbally Dyslexic permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:49 pm

    Also, thought this might lift the spirits of Kristards a bit. My contact from SonyBMG said Kris Allen’s album has sold out in my country. They’re producing more for sale in the next few days.

    • Starr permalink
      November 26, 2009 12:27 am

      Sweet! I got annoyed when I heard that in the Philippines Kris’s CD isn’t even in stock yet, while Adam’s was, even though Kris had a week’s earlier release.

      • carmine2008 permalink
        November 26, 2009 12:32 pm

        That’s no longer true!!! I just bought mine a few hours ago. Yes, it’s almost 2 weeks late, but the wait is sooooo worth it.

  41. spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:47 pm

    I never thought I would be caught defending an Idol contestant…lol

  42. Verbally Dyslexic permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:45 pm

    I was beginning to get really tired of all the Adam Lambert saga from the last few days, so I’m going to hug this post and read it bedtime stories now. Kris Allen is such a nice guy that people easily think he’s a pushover. I think he has a huge awareness of who he is as a person and an artiste that he’s not even bothering to respond to critics, unless it challenges his integrity, which I think is the right thing to do.

    I think he needs to be associated with more indie events and places. He has an eclectic taste in music and films, obviously, so Jive/19 should capitalise on that. They should also nudge him towards writing for other people as well, that will help improve his songwriting ability, allow him to experiment with different sounds and styles and build credibility as a singer-songwriter.

    This guy has so much potential as long as the label and management do right by him.

    Also, I think he and his wife are the most adorable couple ever.

  43. spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:39 pm

    I have been following some of the contestants tweets from Idol this year and most of their tweets have been boring or self promotion. Of all the contestants his have brought a smile to this wicked soul.

    My roomie is a Kristard and follows him and I was like meh. But I have grown to like him and his off the wall humor.

  44. November 25, 2009 9:20 pm

    Being a Kris tard, I couldn’t agree more. I thought he’d be just another contestant when he sang my favorite song brilliantly, but I ended up liking him more each day. Hell, I’m not even American, I’m not even 16, but I want this guy to be released in my country so much. I want to buy his album. And, seriously, there are few artists that make me feel that way about them these days.

  45. sweet permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:16 pm

    yeah!! you totally got him!! Thanks for your article; it cheers me up today! I never cracked for an idol before and geez I was wondering how come more people was not seeing that.
    He’s such a funny natural guy, no poker face and he’s just breathing joy of living in his cool laid back way.
    I got his album and just love it. He doesn’t have stellar sales so far (although his single had a nice 67% increase from last week) but I believe he’ll get more market in a similar way as his rise on the idol show. Jives s backing him 150% and I can understand why… don’t let this guy go!

  46. SarahBeth permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:08 pm

    Thanks so much for this, TI. I loved reading this and Kris is hysterical to follow on twitter. He makes me laugh all of the time. πŸ™‚

    He is likeable and his album is quite good.

    I will also admit that I bought AL’s album. Broken Open is just gorgeous.

  47. Fan permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:07 pm

    Hearts in my eyes! This blog is made of so much win!
    Four for you, no seriously!

    I couldn’t agree more with what you’re saying, if only Jive would act on it! It boggles my mind when I read things like “he’s boring and lacks any personality”. Are we serious now? I don’t understand how anyone can miss it.

  48. November 25, 2009 9:02 pm

    Thanks for this take on Kris!! I think many people will be like you, the more you hear him in interviews & the more you hear him perform the more you begin to like him!!
    I was a little quicker on the update & do actually quite like American idol from an entertainment perspective but understand not everyone is the same!!
    The respect & credibility will only increase for Kris , the more he is out there . He does have quite a few things lined up from now to Christmas which will help his exposure but those programmes you mentioned wouldn’t hurt either!!

  49. AIFan permalink
    November 25, 2009 9:02 pm

    You are a tard. Just own up to it. But you know, there were many before him just as likeable, real, talented, etc., etc. Or at least that’s what their tards claimed. And, I am sure, many of them were. And, I am sure, Kris is. But in the Idol universe, there is nothing unique about him – or you, for that matter.

    Oh, and Kris tards, don’t give up on him yet. Give him some time – the album may pick up sales yet. His music is good and that’s what matters.

    • spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
      November 25, 2009 9:44 pm

      “But in the Idol universe, there is nothing unique about him”

      Oh really have you read some of the other former Idol contestants tweets?

      Their tweets are usually self-promotion, boring or nonsense.

    • Starr permalink
      November 25, 2009 11:08 pm

      He’s unique in the fact that he’s the only contestant who started out as canon fodder and went on to really make it big in the end and win the Idol crown. That alone is full of win.

  50. haha permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:59 pm

    “I will never make a puffy-paint shirt or slave over an inspirational (s)crapbook to give to some guy I saw on TV.”

    But you might make a paper-mache bust of David Cook. Oh, yes, you might!

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 25, 2009 9:03 pm

      Oh yes. Oh yes I will. The man sang the greatest Lionel Richie Video song ever. Therefore, a paper mache bust is necessary.

      I still think Cook’s Hello and Always Be My Baby were his best performances. But I am so thankful YouTube exists, so I can watch Lionel Richie’s Hello whenever I damn well please.

      • haha permalink
        November 25, 2009 9:04 pm

        Hello was amazing. The day we present Cookie with that bust will be one of the best days of my life.

        • haha permalink
          November 25, 2009 9:14 pm

          OK, I hadn’t watched that video in forever – I totally forgot that Lionel was the blind girl’s teacher in that video. It’s so hilarious and STALKER!!! That makes Cookie’s creepy interpretation even better.

      • November 26, 2009 4:52 am

        The song I can live with but why, why, why remind us of the visual? Cruel!

  51. Lynn permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:58 pm

    Thank you thank you thank you for seeing the real Kris Allen while the rest of the media is treating him like dirt! This is the BEST article anyone had ever written for Kris Allen thus far!!! So I thank you for that! I’ve never an invested fan for AI but Kris Allen turns me into one because of his talents and personalities.

  52. alicat10025 permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:57 pm

    I am officially in love with this article. And I have my Kris CD from Wal-Mart since I wanted the Chris Daughtry bonus track. But I ordered it in advance of the drop date to be shipped since there’s no Wal-Mart near me

  53. auntieaimee permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:55 pm

    That’s a badass Snuggie. It looks like he belongs to a sexy cult.

    • Steph permalink
      November 25, 2009 9:42 pm

      Wow. I’m dense. I had no idea that was a snuggie. Now it is even FUNNIER.

      Nevermind what I thought it was…

      • Steph permalink
        November 25, 2009 9:43 pm

        ETA: Need to learn to read captions.

  54. Anne permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:49 pm

    One season too late. For all that you said they already have David Cook. He’s their likeable male winner, and the best of it? He’s not even married like Kris Allen.
    That’s one of Kris problems, he came after David and he’s just a low version of David.

    Every season there are people who say they weren’t american idol fans but then they saw X and Y and they’re the real deal and not american idol type… yadda yadda yadda.
    Kris is just a regular dude who sing well but without the IT factor.
    And he’s not a very good songwritter. Red Guitar is one awful bland song. Even Jason Castro has more IT than Kris. If you wanna go for the laid back normal singsongwriter type.

    Anyway, there’s nothing new about Kris that other idols didn’t have already.

    • November 25, 2009 8:59 pm

      I used to be a Castro tard…still kinda am.

      But Kris is a way better songwriter than him.

      I thought Jason’s pre-idol songs were so good, but if you compare it to Kris’s “Brand New Shoes” it really just puts Jason’s stuff to shame.

      Also, the only thing that you could attribute as IT to Jason is his dreads.

      • Starr permalink
        November 25, 2009 9:44 pm

        LOL his dreads? Hahaha

        I also agree about Brand New Shoes. If that’s what all amataeur CDs sound like, then bring ’em on.

        • November 25, 2009 10:31 pm

          I mean, that’s the only thing really different about him. LOL.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      November 25, 2009 9:05 pm

      I like to tease Kris-tards, but I don’t think Kris is boring. He may get overshadowed sometimes, but he has a nice personality. You do make a good point about David Cook and Kris being similar. Kris should be able to tap into Cook’s fan base. Maybe they should do some shows together.

      • November 25, 2009 9:08 pm

        I would actually love a Cook, Kris Allen tour even though I’m not so into Cook, myself. They seem like friends so I could see it happening, but at the same time I wouldn’t want it to be looked at as like…an American Idol tour, you know?

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 25, 2009 9:08 pm

        I don’t know if they are similar, per se. In some regards, yes, but I see Allen as more a Ray LaMontagne or Citizen Cope type.

        • Starr permalink
          November 25, 2009 9:36 pm

          Dude. Seriously, you’re reading my mind. I just saw Ray LaMontagne in concert last Sunday (in lieu of the AMA debacle, thank God) and I tweeted Kris about how their performance styles are so similar. If Kris could have the same success as Ray LaMontagne, I’d be happy. THAT guys doesn’t give two shits what people think about him, and he sings like a badass motherfucker.

        • erinnthered permalink
          November 25, 2009 9:37 pm

          When I played LLWD for some friends of mine, one actually said Kris sounded like a poppier (sp?) Citizen Cope. Totally agree. He’s also much more of a Ray LaMontagne type than Taylor ever was, and lots of Taylor fans thought he would be Ray 2.0.

          I’ve been around since season one as a viewer – this show is crack – but there is something a little different about Kris. Cook definitely has the personality, but Kris is a better songwriter and musician, IMHO. It’s a more complete package.

          I never liked or understood the Castro appeal. Maybe I’ve just known too many guys with guitars who are exactly like him.

          • Starr permalink
            November 25, 2009 9:42 pm

            Castro is all right, but lacks the intensity that Kris has when he sings. Exhibit A: “Is It Over”, when he sings on that second verse and he goes “But I won’t let you go as you walk out on me”, he sung that verse like a boss and I swear to God I saw flashes of Donny Hathaway and Sam Cooke when he sung that line.

            • nekola permalink
              November 26, 2009 1:47 pm

              I love, love, love Is It Over. You can really hear his soulful voice on that song. I like the majority of the songs on his album, which rarely happens for me. I think the problem with the album may be the production. I think Jive/19E pushed it too much for the pop sound that Kris’ voice and emotion may have gotten lost in it. I think that he sounds great and I can hear his intensity. However, I can see how the songs can be bland to some. I think the instruments in Is It Over overpowers Kris’ voice. Also, Can’t Stay Away and Written All Over My Face sounds so much better live than on the album. All I am really hoping for is that Kris sell enough albums so that he can make another one. So hopefully the upcoming promotional and album tours will help with sales.

            • Starr permalink
              November 27, 2009 3:20 am

              I disagree with the instruments overpowering his voice in “Is It Over”. I think the pitter-pattering build up of them is nice and makes the song sound more intense. I think the song that could probably use less production is “Heartless”. I also think you can hear the guitar chord shift creaks too loudly on “Written All Over My Face. You can hear them loudly when you have earphones on, but through speakers it is fine. “Can’t Stay Away” needed more guitar and drums to add to the energy of the song. Agreed, WAOMF and CSA sound better live.

          • TopIdol permalink
            November 25, 2009 10:01 pm

            Just because HIcks did “Trouble”? Oh Hells no. They are nothing alike. Maybe in some strange “awkward” way, perhaps, but I was more talking about guitar-driven acoustic goodness.

            I liked Castro during the season, but his fans and family, and his personality, really turned me off in the months after. He really wasn’t anything special.

            • erinnthered permalink
              November 26, 2009 12:49 am

              I think it was more based on Hick’s pre-Idol album. It had much more of a Bluesy/ Americana vibe. People were expecting him to come from there musically, but he had other, crappier ideas.

              The thing about Castro is, he’s a boy with dreads, from Dallas, who plays guitar and uke. I lived in Austin for 5 years. There were plenty of boys with dreads, from Dallas or Houston or anywhere, that played guitar and uke. At least most of them could cover Dylan and Marley without making my ears bleed.

    • deez permalink
      November 25, 2009 9:17 pm

      Cook is likeable and talented, but that doesn’t mean HBD is a “version” of him. (Kris is better looking for one thing πŸ™‚ …yeah, I said it) I beg to differ on the “it” factor. I find him quite engaging (I like Red Guitar…it’s kind of U2ish). So…different strokes, I guess.

      Plus…Kris being married is a plus for him. He may be able to steer clear of HollySockpuppets and others of her ilk.

      • Starr permalink
        November 25, 2009 9:35 pm

        Totally got the same vibe from “Red Guitar”. It’s reminiscent of “Where the Streets Have No Name” or “Sometimes You Can’t Make It On Your Own”.

      • Tard? permalink
        November 26, 2009 12:31 am

        I totally agree that both Cook and Kris are talented, funny, snarky and likeable. Both can write music and lyrics adequately, both can play the guitar fairly well, and both are practically twitter geniuses, compared to the average celebrity. The guy that you prefer probably has more to do with which genre of music you prefer, than anything else. When it comes to the most important comparison, their looks (heh), I think that both guys are very attractive. For me Kris clearly won the hair and normal sized cranium lottery (Cook’s hair situation is almost tragic) and Cook won the face lottery, by far (Kris has a bit of a monkey thing going on). Yep, I’m shallow.

    • November 25, 2009 9:22 pm

      Red Guitar is my favorite song on the album, as for now. So underrated, this one.

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 25, 2009 9:24 pm

        Where are you from, L? (I suppose I could check your IP, but that’s lazy and I want to know from YOU. Ha.)

        • November 25, 2009 9:25 pm

          Brazil. The land in which no one watches Idol, expect me and a couple of friends. Sad.

    • auntieaimee permalink
      November 25, 2009 9:55 pm

      Come on, now. Jason Castro is a big goob.

    • lauren722 permalink
      November 26, 2009 2:47 pm

      I disagree with you completely. I love the song “Red Guitar” and I think Kris is a great song writer. To me, that is where his talent lies, he doesn’t just have vocals like past winners. He can also write music and play many different instruments. Whether you see it or not, he does have that “it” factor.

      • lauren722 permalink
        November 26, 2009 2:51 pm

        This was to Anne btw. I just read through all the other replies and everyone has already said everything in my comment lol.

  55. Starr permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:46 pm

    Dude, truer words were never spoken. *slow clap*

  56. 12cubed permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:45 pm

    Thank you for this. I agree with all of it.

    Unfortunately, I don’t think 19E agrees.

    Yeah, I’m a Kris-tard. And yeah, today has been a really depressing day to be a fan.

  57. Hope F. LeSane permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:43 pm

    TopIdol…you’re take on Kris Allen was spot on. He’s funny as hell, talented as hell, good looking as hell and down to earth as hell.

    E19 could have a cash cow on their hands, if only they’d invest more time and money in promotion.

    I’m thinking that RCA and the glitter people have a cease and demand order over there.

  58. josh permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:40 pm

    This is the best shit I ever read in my life. Kris is the bomb. Give him time, he’s going places.

  59. Heather permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:38 pm

    Wow, I could have written this article, word for word. I’ve been saying for a while now that Kris Allen could appeal to the indie crowd if only the indie crowd would get over their prejudice against Idol (like I had to do). Thank you. This is the best article about Kris I’ve ever read.

  60. Steph permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:33 pm

    I love his album. I really do. I also really like Kris. He makes me laugh, he’s so unedited and just humorous and just strikes me as a guy that it would be so easy to hang around with. I love the persona he gives off. IT’s the most welcoming thing I’ve seen from any idol.

    His album makes me think of all calm, good things I like in my life. I associate it with happy moments. It just makes me feel good.

    If no one else gets it, great, I kinda like the guy more because he doesn’t have the crazy stans. πŸ™‚

  61. deez permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:33 pm

    I posted this in the older topic earlier today, but I’ll put it here as well.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 25, 2009 8:35 pm

      Don’t you click the links in my posts, Deez? πŸ™‚

      The KRIM Show is what motivated me to write such a heartfelt missive in the first place.

      • deez permalink
        November 25, 2009 8:39 pm

        My Bad.

      • SarahBeth permalink
        November 25, 2009 9:05 pm

        The Krim show needs to happen. Immediately.

        You have Jim’s inside ear. Make it happen.

        • November 25, 2009 9:10 pm

          My thoughts exactly.

        • TopIdol permalink
          November 25, 2009 9:11 pm

          I must admit, I was a bit excited when they mentioned “Jim’s Karaoke Birthday Party”.

          • 8sourcandy permalink
            November 25, 2009 9:49 pm

            You are such a fame-whore πŸ™‚

  62. Aerina permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:32 pm

    *Standing ovation*
    NGL during Idol I rolled my eyes as Paula said he might be the most likable contestant they ever had.
    But I am totally converted now…. yes, I maybe one of his tard now. I care too much about this boy. Damn he can conquer haters like you , VFTW, even Idol hater gave him the note 10 for his Heartless.
    He is genuine, I was surprised that before the final he said that he hoped he ain’t getting the christian votes, he just hoped it was all about the music. All the time he is not trying to hide something only to get more votes or to sell more albums.

  63. 8sourcandy permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:31 pm

    Because YOU BROUGHT UP your new favorite song, “Whataya Want From Me,” here it is. A lovely little redemption performance I like to call genius.

    • yuppie permalink
      November 25, 2009 8:35 pm

      It really is impossible to write an article or blogpost about Kris without Glamberts feeling the need to invade, isn’t it?

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 25, 2009 8:37 pm

        Top Idol brought it up.

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 25, 2009 8:38 pm

        All but one of the frequent Glambert visitors I like. I feel as if there must be something good inside of them if they even come over to play in the first place πŸ™‚

        • 8sourcandy permalink
          November 25, 2009 8:50 pm

          I know you like me, you said so. πŸ™‚

        • November 26, 2009 5:31 am

          I won’t be counting myself as one of the favoured glamberts – but I do come over to play and I like it here. And I did defend Kris on AO the other week. I daren’t give too many details for fear of fanning more glamtard hatred, but the article was immature, inflammatory and as far as I could see no actual proof of the allegation – and I said so – and took some shit for it – but some others agreed too – so all good. Brownie points? πŸ™‚

          • TopIdol permalink
            November 26, 2009 1:36 pm

            Don’t worry, Lamberkitten, you weren’t the one I was talking about. πŸ™‚

      • 12cubed permalink
        November 25, 2009 8:41 pm

        Pretty much.

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 25, 2009 8:48 pm

        You’re right. I should hog the blogs. Sorry.

      • WhoEver permalink
        November 26, 2009 8:22 pm

        It really is impossible to write an article or blogpost about Kris without Glamberts feeling the need to invade, isn’t it?

        It really is. The funniest part is, I think this was the Glambert who claimed she was relatively sane, and made a list of “rules” for other Glamberts so they wouldn’t be acting BSC and unreasonable. Heh.

        • lauren722 permalink
          November 27, 2009 1:27 am

          Hmmm maybe the reason we “invade” is because we actually like Kris too? Or is that not an option. I was not aware that Adam fans were banned from this post.
          And btw: The Glambert you are referring to is no more insane than all the Kristards here are. I don’t consider anyone her to be insane.

          • November 27, 2009 4:07 am

            Thanks Lauren :). And you are quite right, although when I first started posting here I was neutral about Kris as I probably wouldnt have gone looking for stuff about him off my own back, even on AO they put Kris stuff in a different section called “Kradam” – am sure you would love it! And as I stick to the main board there for info and tarding purposes I don’t get to see much about Kris. But seeing the interviews, music clips and reading the tardery here has certainly given me a warmer appreciation. But anyhow, I notice TI done nother post bout the Letterman show, yeay! back to Adam! πŸ™‚

          • 12cubed permalink
            November 27, 2009 8:27 pm

            Hmmm maybe the reason we β€œinvade” is because we actually like Kris too? Or is that not an option.

            I’m not really getting “liking Kris” from 8sourcandy’s posts here (which is what yuppie was originally referring to). Of course, she’s free to dislike him and make posts about Adam in a Kris-centric article, but I don’t think your comment applies to her in this case.

        • November 27, 2009 3:53 am

          Me? Ok, well I don’t recall writing a set of rules for glamberts tho I suppose when your completely BSC you prolly tend forget half of it. But I do recall responding to a thread on AO where a poster wanted fans to go storming over to some site after a mildly negative article. I did advise caution in this regard and think managed, on that one occasion, to stop the onslaught. And you would probly be surprised too by the amount of “crazy” glamberts who agreed with me.

          Sorry you are upset Adam fans are commenting within a Kristard fest. Don’t really know else to say to cheer you up! Ooooh, I know, Adam’s album slipped a space yesterday on itunes. There, all good now I hope? πŸ™‚

          • 12cubed permalink
            November 28, 2009 10:10 am

            No, not you. I specifically referred to 8sourcandy in my post, don’t know why you’d think I was referring to you.

            Sorry you are upset Adam fans are commenting within a Kristard fest.

            Huh? I’m not upset that Adam fans are commenting. I was just pointing out to Lauren that some of the comments from Adam fans are clearly not because they like Kris (as she suggested), which is why her reply to WhoEver doesn’t make sense. I think you’re using a straw-man argument.

            • lauren722 permalink
              November 28, 2009 10:48 am

              I don’t think 8sourcandy has ever said anything mean about Kris. I don’t feel like reading all the posts to confirm though. Anyway, people who despise Adam always comment on posts related to him just to bash him. And unless it goes too far we don’t complain so either way, this is a really stupid argument.

            • November 29, 2009 12:52 am

              Now am totally confused and have gone all blurrey-eyed trying to work out who posted what and said what to whom. Think I need sleep!

    • November 26, 2009 9:01 am

      Oooh, whilst we are on the subject, dya see that on Letterman – think it has the edge – not that much between the vocals for either show but liked the little smile at “Hey I’m a freak, but thanks for lovin me” – and, erm, perhaps wisest not to mention here but in for a penny in for a pound – the pants were good too πŸ™‚

      • TopIdol permalink
        November 26, 2009 1:42 pm

        My Tivo cut it off right as he finished the song.

        He really needs to cut down on the makeup. As someone who dyes their hair darker, I get it. But I really think he could chill on the foundation and look a lot better. It ages him. And no, this isn’t me saying he needs to be “less gay” (yawn) or “less himself”. It just isn’t doing much to highlight his strengths and conceal his flaws.

        • lauren722 permalink
          November 26, 2009 2:43 pm

          I agree! There is nothing wrong with freckles! I love all his eye makeup but he really doesn’t need the pounds of cover-up.

        • November 26, 2009 4:55 pm

          I don’t know what happened to Adam’s face since the auditions! I still think he is handsome but seems more pudgy in the face yet not in the body so much? Wonder what gives?

        • 8sourcandy permalink
          November 26, 2009 7:43 pm

          I really only noticed the pants.

  64. Marcus permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:28 pm

    So.. Is that why his album sales suck?

  65. deez permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:27 pm

    Read the comments below Slezak’s article. Sadly, too many people still feel this way. He needs to be a speaking guest on Conan, Leno, etc…rather than just performing…to showcase his personality.(The latest out-takes from Jim C are hilarious.)
    There are still way too many people who think he’s boring. (huh? Since when is funny and smart boring? I guess he should do something “important” and “though-provoking” like shove his crotch in someone’s face)

    And……What is the deal with Wal-Mart? Here you have the nation’s (maybe the world’s ??) largest retailer, based in his home state and they can’t even put up posters for Christmas shoppers? The electronics dept. needs this boy’s face all over the area. If everybody in Little Rock who voted bought a copy of the album, he’d be sitting pretty. I wonder how many of them even know he’s released an album? You wouldn’t know it by shopping in Wal Mart. FAIL.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 25, 2009 8:32 pm

      He’s clearly too liberal for Wal-Mart? He likes gay people and has a sense of humor. This may be akin to Quija boards and the morning after pill.

      • deez permalink
        November 25, 2009 8:38 pm

        Lol. Don’t they insist that “Cosmopolitan” be displayed in shrink wrap? ( To shield people’s virgin eyes from articles like ” Top Ten Ways to Please Your Man Over the Holidays”)

        • erinnthered permalink
          November 25, 2009 9:18 pm

          Really?! I never really shop in Wal-mart unless I have to, so…really?!

          • deez permalink
            November 25, 2009 9:22 pm

            I think so (pretty sure). Lol. I think I’ll check the next time I’m there. You see, I’m lazy and there’s a Wal Mart 10 minutes from my house, Target is 20 minutes. So my convictions are not strong enough to over-ride that extra 20 min of round trip driving.

            • TopIdol permalink
              November 25, 2009 9:23 pm

              Target is heaven on earth.

      • lauren722 permalink
        November 26, 2009 2:41 pm

        It surprises me that Walmart is even selling either of their CDs. Didn’t they not sell Green Day’s because of a few cuss words? I buy my CDs at Target. Much higher class.

  66. damitman permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:26 pm

    OMG!! This is the most awesomest thing Ive ever read!! I hope you send this to AI/JIVE/19E cuz they should read this shit and get a clue!

  67. 8sourcandy permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:24 pm

    “I’m not a tard.” Um, yes you are. You should just own it. You know why? Because “…so few people ever bother being themselves…”

    Before sending him off into the vapid vortex of cable TV watch this clip. It may have you rethink things.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 25, 2009 8:30 pm

      The AMAs were pathetic. But then again, no one from Season 8 of AI came off looking good on stage, did they? It’s a shame HBD didn’t do anything “in the moment”.

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 25, 2009 8:35 pm

        Hey, I don’t have a problem saying Adam’s performance sucked. Nor does he.

  68. November 25, 2009 8:17 pm

    Thought I’d come in here and say that I’ve been totally agreeing with a lot of what you’ve been writing lately, but especially to this one. It bugs the crap out of me when I see people use the default “he’s boring and has no personality” comments to put him down when he’s shown so many times that that couldn’t be further from the truth. But too many people have their glitter-goggles on to even give him half a chance. I mean, come on! That snuggie picture had me crying and howling with laughter.

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 25, 2009 8:20 pm

      Most of his entire Twitpic account is comic gold. I especially love this recent gem:

      But this may still be my all-time favorite:

      • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
        November 25, 2009 9:04 pm

        Skymall should pay him for the amount of exposure he’s given that mag.

        • Starr permalink
          November 25, 2009 9:38 pm

          I know, right? Skymall has a Twitter……

      • erinnthered permalink
        November 25, 2009 9:22 pm

        The Coke Santa was amazing. I think that’s what sealed the deal for me. Seriously, 19, put this guy out there!

    • erinnthered permalink
      November 25, 2009 9:16 pm

      I don’t just agree so much with TI’s post, I also agree so, so, so much with this comment!

  69. Nicole permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:13 pm

    Well, since you love him so much, I hope you’re buying his CDs since no one else seems to be.

    • yuppie permalink
      November 25, 2009 8:14 pm

      I must have missed the day in school where 80,000 = no one.

      • sup permalink
        November 25, 2009 8:33 pm

        Maybe she got confused with the 8 so to her it looks like a zero? Let me go check my KA CD because I’m pretty sure I bought one…

    • TopIdol permalink
      November 25, 2009 8:14 pm

      I bought it off iTunes. I don’t download multiple copies or gift people with such things.

      I also downloaded Whataya Want From Me. If I like something, I will listen to it. I have no problem admitting that. πŸ™‚

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        November 25, 2009 8:25 pm

        Had I read this first I would not have been such a bitch on the “tard” thing. πŸ™‚

        • Claire permalink
          November 25, 2009 9:12 pm

          Didn’t TI admit she liked WWFM in another post? I could’ve sworn I read several posts about how she liked his music. Just because you think HBD has a sense of humor doesn’t mean you automatically think all of Adam’s music is crap.

          • TopIdol permalink
            November 25, 2009 9:15 pm

            This is true.

            And both Can’t Stay Away and Whataya Want For Me are in heavy rotation on my iPod at the moment. I have never once said I hated Adam Lambert. In fact, I usually say I really want to like him more.

      • erinnthered permalink
        November 26, 2009 1:39 am

        I was totally going to buy a couple of singles on iTunes until the OUT magazine thing. It hit too close to home.

        I just can’t bare to give that guy money. No matter how catchy Whataya Want From Me or Sleepwalker is.

        • Starr permalink
          November 26, 2009 5:53 am

          Feel the same way, erin. If I bought one of his songs, it would feel like me giving Perez Hilton hits on his website.

    • November 25, 2009 8:25 pm

      *pinches self* Yep, I exist!

      I’m listening to his CD as we speak actually

    • auntieaimee permalink
      November 25, 2009 8:32 pm

      I bought my copy. Yay, me.

    • November 26, 2009 1:21 am

      As far as I know, one week sales doesn’t make or break one artist or singer…oh well…

      You know what I like about him is his self-awareness…. He is a smart guy and knows that he is NOT the next big thing. He just wants to do music and sells it to whom appreciate it. As a fan, I guess I will enjoy the ride.

      (Yes, TI, love this post. )

  70. November 25, 2009 8:12 pm

    I’m coming out of lurkdom to say…I love you, Top Idol!

    I could not agree more. Kris Allen is the real deal and so much more

  71. Carlisle permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:11 pm

    Aw, my heart. It swells with love. Just in time for Thanksgiving!

  72. mustang permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:02 pm

    I so totally agree with this, it’s not funny. Brava!

  73. yuppie permalink
    November 25, 2009 8:02 pm


    Also, I think this post might make me start tarding over you! πŸ˜‰

    • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
      November 25, 2009 9:00 pm

      I already committed myself to one of TI’s post, so yeah, yuppie, don’t hold back.


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