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Feather boas, fire, serpants and pretty young things (Irony is funny)

February 11, 2010

Many people may discount the whole big in Asia factor. Whatevia. I think over a billion people live there. Evidently, Kris Allen is very popular in the world’s largest continent.

Touring the Philippines, Singapore and Malaysia, Kris Allen has been all sorts of fun. In addition to eating local cuisine and hanging out both giganto-mall food courts, nightclubs AND tribal drum circles without ever coming off like a douchebag, Kris Allen has further endeared himself to me by admitting to being thrown in jail and for planning a trip to Rwanda with TOMs Shoes’ reputable charity endeavor. And even if we’re just basing it on shoes and no charitable niceties, that shit is so much cooler than the Idol Winner as Sketchers Spokesperson inanity I’ve seen for the past few years.

Further adding to my amusement, I keep getting sent these clips of Kris Allen doing all this stuff by the merry cadre of Kristards whom, for whatever reason, enjoy reading my shit blog. Allen’s assistant seems to be the one filming all these adventures of Kris and his bandmates through Asia, but its so natural that it doesn’t even come off as lame. It’s like crap normal people do on vacation and them post to their YouTube. Frankly, as a marketing strategy, its cheap and brilliant.

But in all seriousness, I am sooooo digging the irony of it all. (And this is the part where I stress the fact I’m not bashing one Adam Lambert, only his batshit crazy fans.) So I just can’t help but…well, just take a look.

Kris Allen plays with a snake as any average person would if told to touch a boa constrictor and does not allow it to slither upon him as an overwrought, cliched phallic metaphor.

Kris Allen plays with fire and fire artists. In Singapore. Not in the…wait, I’m not going there. Only because I do go there.

Kris Allen gives candid interview coming out about sordid bad boy past.

Kris Allen gamely wears feather boa tossed on stage by young-at-heart [and body] fan.

Poparazzi’s Christopher Toh blogged about his experiences at Kris Allen’s recent show at the Zirca nightclub in Singapore. Naturally, Glamberts came over to try and poo-poo all over everything…anytime I see a post by someone named Music Lover on anything saying Kris Allen might be kind of cool, I know what’s up. But this was my favorite because batshit crazy tards love throwing out the word average and talk about how they’ve worked in the music industry for years. Yeah, they don’t fool anyone. Or maybe someone should clue them in that joining Columbia House to get 10 CDs for a penny 20 years ago does not mean you worked in the music business.

Really? I find Kris very average and I can’t believe anyone would pay money to see him. I am not saying he is bad but I just don’t see the draw. I have been in the music industry for years and I do think he will not do well in the long run. I am glad you enjoyed yourself.

I’m sure there are batshit crazy Kris Allen fans out there and please, if you guys can send me incidents of them being complete morons, please do. I’m all about equal opportunity. But I never see any of them running to any article regarding Adam Lambert that appears in their Google Alerts and talking smack out the guy, or playing the concerned card, or any of that crap. Frankly, the show is over. Apples and oranges, people. Apples and oranges. Go bother yourself with some more online polls because you like voting so much.

Dammit, I totally digressed. Those wacky Glamberts crack me up, that’s all. Anyhoo, back to Christopher Toh and his experiences at the Kris Allen show. See, he totally did not want to go. And then he had a great time. And he talked about the MUSIC. The stuff about the feather boa and the young girls (and guys) dancing in cages and screaming for Allen was just kind of setting the scene.

However, I was looking for that one moment, you know, when a good concert can become truly memorable. It was when he broke into With Or Without You, interpolating a snatch of that U2 song during his soulful rendition of Falling Slowly (from the movie Once). And it cleverly began with the “and you give yourself away” refrain, before launching into the familiar chorus. But instead of milking it for all its worth, he went back into Falling Slowly almost immediately after.

Now, I didn’t like it because I’m a big U2 fan, nor because I appreciated the Irish reference. (Once starred guitarist Glen Hansard, who plays with the Irish band The Frames). But I loved it because it happened very subtly. Almost like a throwaway shrug. In fact, it was so subtle, I wasn’t sure if everybody caught it at first. Or at all. Only my colleague was grinning away because she too, was a big U2 fan. Then he looked at me and smiled. And we shared a moment. (Well, he could have been looking at the babe behind me – but I’m still claiming that moment.)

Feather boas…pretty young things screaming and dancing…fire eating…candid interviews…crowd surfing…what is this bizarro world? This actually happened in real time and not just in a video shoot? And it happened to Kris Allen?

Oh irony…

Damn. I am totally violating my rule of not comparing apples and oranges. But I’m not. Or I wouldn’t…if things weren’t so damn obvious. Adam Lambert has a live show at the Fantasy Springs Casino coming up, but he is also doing some crazy cool acoustic concert for VH1 next month. An acoustic show is an awesome opportunity for him to flaunt his strengths as a singer and not just a reality TV celeb. But I gotta admit, I do so get a kick out of how one would attend this intimate acoustic show on Saturday. For reals. If you want to go, you need to send a head shot and vitals to a casting agent.

Seriously. You people so do not get it yet, do you? This is Adam Lambert’s management/RCA explicitly saying, sparkle cows, your herd ain’t coming around these parts because this guy is our investment and you’re causing us to lose money on an investment because you’re batshit crazy and you ruin any Lambert street cred. It’s also why they’re sending him on a mini-tour in the UK. It often helps to work on legitimacy in Europe. Lots of artists get big internationally before earning superstar status in the States. It’s quite simple. RCA & 19E want Adam Lambert to be…COOL.

Sorry. I just can’t help it. All of this is just…it’s just hilarious.

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  1. February 23, 2010 5:00 am

    I just came across your blog from my video link, the boa feather one 😉 check out my awesome review of the kris allen concert on my blog.

    PS: i’ve linked u as well, think ur blog is awesome ^^

  2. February 14, 2010 12:34 pm

    First time poster, long time reader! I just had to chime in because I was at the concert too. My friend and I (Kris fans) were right up in front of the stage and got to overhear one of the most emotionally fraught arguments ever at a concert, between two Glamberts. I guess the one was trying to smoosh past this other one to get closer to the stage, and the Glambert who’d been standing there first would have none of it. She started sniping “I stood on line for 14 hours!” and then the one who was pushing closer yelps “My husband died a year ago…” and how that entitled her to a closer view? I don’t know. But it was nice to know that they do hate on each other as well as fans of other Idols.

    Also, I was right in front of the woman who fainted and stopped the show. She was feeling lightheaded for awhile and the woman behind me (a very sweet Adam Lambert fan – my proof that it’s a certain group giving the rest of them a bad name) asked me to hold her coat while she helped this woman sit down. This went on for a few minutes before she actually passed out. What I didn’t get was why this lady’s friends didn’t help her to the back of the venue instead of letting her sit there and faint. I’ve seen that some Glamberts were blaming the crowding and extreme heat, which… no. I was getting pushed a lot, but that was due to a few rude teenagers next to the nice Glambert – everyone else, my friend included, seemed to have a decent amount of space. Also, it was chilly in the room for a good while (I actually left my scarf on). It got warmer by the time Adam came up, but nowhere near suffocating/fainting levels. If anything, it’s because they were probably standing for more than half the day, which is kind of your own fault, no? So these excuses are just that – excuses.

    Oh yeah, and Kris’ set was no louder than Allison or Adam’s. In fact, there were speakers at the front of the stage for the latter two’s sets that were removed when Kris came on. If anything, my ears got a bit of a break when he played, lol.

    • Mithra permalink
      February 14, 2010 2:18 pm

      What I didn’t get was why this lady’s friends didn’t help her to the back of the venue instead of letting her sit there and faint.

      Because worshipping their rawk god is far more important than being a good friend. You’ll see more of this now that the new season has started and it’s clear Adam will not be the major superstar they bragged about – they will eat their own. My guess is that they are online friends. They were probably pissed that she was interferring with their experience.

      I’d wager a guess that they were complaining about the heat because they are overweight, wearing too tight clothing, ovely excited, and experiencing hormones they haven’t felt released in years.

      Thanks for joining in. Glad to hear you had a good time, right? 🙂

      Here’s another review from a GUY, an actual male Adam fan:

      http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=single&action=display&thread=442&page=19

    • Nich permalink
      February 14, 2010 2:40 pm

      Whenever I go to a GA concert where I hope to be near the front I like to bring earplugs. It doesn’t block all the sound it just muffles it a little bit so your ears don’t ring so much after the show.

  3. margie permalink
    February 14, 2010 12:27 pm

    For Valentines I leave you guys this…Kerry off the EW article

    Kerry Kolsch
    Sun 02/14/10 10:24 AM

    Don’t forget the history here before you call Adam’s fans rude. Kris is the American Idol because his home state cheated for the win and he is disrespected because he should be. An AT&T executive who graduated UCA the same university Kris attended sponsored parties with thousands in attendance and lent phones and gave out phones and had people voting thousands of times each. Prizes were given to those who voted the most.These university students jammed Adam’s phone lines as well.I call Kris the Chick-fil-a Idol because they attended his parties giving out thousands in prizes and food and everyone knows he has paid them back with shout outs. Adam fans have a right to be disrespectful of this cheater.

    Kerry Kolsch
    Sun 02/14/10 10:53 AM

    I am the one writing the book called Adam Lambert, Second to None. It will be available on the 19th. I have the facts and the data that proves Kris got the win by cheating. There is no doubt. It is an ugly story and don’t think for a minute that Adam is not still being effected by his loss. How dare Slezak suggest that the show Kris put on was anything but inferior to Adam and Allison. Kris was obnoxiously loud and inarticulate for most of his set. That is why people hit the door.

    • margie permalink
      February 14, 2010 12:42 pm

      One more but this is a beauty. We get slamming, concern and fantarding all in one 🙂

      maryny
      Sun 02/14/10 9:50 AM

      can you all be real? this was not a concert for fans of all 3. little rock was in the lead for a while, and there is NO WAY they were voting to see allison or adam. it was the same people who have mortgaged their homes to buy a dozen copies of LLWD to have kris’s song go gold. i’d bet a LOT they wouldn’t have been too nice to adam. AND only about 10% of the audience left; it did phase kris because he commented on it…but he did do a nice performance (albeit boring and on a par with background music at a local bar). I wanted to leave as well, but stayed because I didn’t want kris to feel bad…even enjoyed most of the original music. adam, however, made me feel like i OWED the concert people a LOT…even though the contest was poorly executed and pissed off many fans

      • Overboard permalink
        February 14, 2010 12:52 pm

        lmao… brilliant. I was the one who made a comment on twitter about mortgaging my house to buy more copies of LLWD. It was obviously… a joke 😛

        • deez permalink
          February 14, 2010 2:01 pm

          Glamberts take everything so literally…which is ironic because I swear that some of them are functionally illiterate.

      • Claire permalink
        February 14, 2010 3:01 pm

        Are these dumb heifers forgetting that when the AI tour stopped in Little Rock, the audience was very respectful and enthusiastic toward ALL of the performers? No one booed Lambert or threw Kris shirts at him. They’re not used to associating with polite, decent people, so they assume the worst about everyone.

        I’m sure this person took the tweet about taking out a second mortgage on your home to get an extra $12 (or whatever the hell a dozen LLWD singles costs) seriously because she lives in a run down trailer, and that’s the amount of money she’d likely gain.

      • blacklisted permalink
        February 14, 2010 5:18 pm

        These fans are stupid and clueless. ALL idols said that they got love during the LR AI Tour. Hell, we’ve seen the video, they went nuts for Adam and Allison. They might love their hometown boy but they also love Adison. In fact, I’d say Adam got more cheering at LR than he did at some stops on the West Coast, which should be “Adam country”. I doubt we’d have rude motherfuckers behaving badly as what happened in NY.

    • Mithra permalink
      February 14, 2010 12:50 pm

      I hope the book is as good as the tard art featured on the poster found in that bathroom 😀

      I guess the silver lining like people who were there said was that they ended up with much better spots, and they got to see the encore. They probably were pretty comfortable and didn’t have to deal with the pushing as well. You really have to figure these women have never been to a concert before because an encore is pretty standard, and the probability was high that their rawk god would come back onstage to perform. Duh.

      Here’s a lovely comment on Jim’s article:

      You guys have got to stop with the Adam fans crap. I drove from Massachusetts with my granddaughter to see the show because I won tickets, and this was her first concert, birthday present. She likes Adam but enjoys Kris and Alison also. I am strictly an Adam fan, and see nothing wrong with that. Since I am not familiar with New York, I got a cab to the concert from my hotel, but I was told how to get the subway back to my hotel by a couple from New Jersey that I met in line, and I didn’t want to have my 13 yr. old granddaughter on the subway really late, and so we left after about six songs from Kris. <b.Sorry, Kris, but my granddaughter’s safety means more to me than you or Adam. Since we are talking I was in line in the cold with her for about an hour, and there were other people in line for maybe two and a half-hours in the cold. If the doors opened at 7pm they weren’t letting many people in, and they were very mean to everyone. Way to go, Ryan. Free doesn’t mean fans get treated like crap. Jim, you really need to stop with the Kris pandering, he will be fine, very talented.

      Umm, why didn’t she take a cab back if she was so worried about her grandaughter’s safety? She drove all the way from MA, and didn’t want to spend an extra $10 on a cab? That’s like going to Paris on vacation and eating at McDonalds to save money. Excuses excuses…

    • Mithra permalink
      February 14, 2010 1:12 pm

      This was reposted on VFTW idletard thread. I’m assuming it’s either from Adam Onanism or Planet Fucktard:

      Adam looked like a gorgeous vampire & his performances were INCREDIBLE.. i don’t need to tell you guys that again haha but here were some highlights of the night:

      *- Tommy was directly in front of me the whole night. I even had to move my jacket because it got in his way. He was SOOOO sparkley & had pink/red lipstick on. He’s so cute. He kept looking over at Adam the whole time & smiling even when Adam wasn’t looking at him. I really don’t “ship” them at all but I do think Tommy had some serious hearts in his eyes for Adam last night.

      * – 3 people supposedly fainted but I think it was really only one person & then 2 fakers. Adam noticed the girl & stopped getting ready to sing so he could get her water & medical help. It was really sweet of him but honestly, I think he got a kick out of the fact that people were going THAT crazy over him. He had ahuge smirk on his face lmao

      * – Some stupid person threw their digital camera on stage and it almost hit Tommy. What the hell is that? So dangerous & tacky. I guess she thought because he gave the passed out girl attention that he would pick up her camera & give it back to her. Adam ignored it but Tommy looked annoyed & pretended that he was going to step on it. He kicked it to the side so nobody tripped on it. LMAO That was so childish of whoever did that & I hope their camera broke.

      * – After one of the songs, one of the tech guys had to fix adam’s soundbox that was attached to his back.. Adam joked “Oooh! He’s in my ass! Don’t stick it too far in. I’ll do that part”… LMAOO then he said “If I offended you, tough crap. Long live rock & roll”

      * – And then at the end of his set during Whole Lotta Love.. things got pretty freaky LMAO I’m convinced that this song turns him on & he doesn’t care if it’s women in the audience. He’s still loving that the audience is loving him & it turns him on.

      He walked over to the EDGE of the stage.. His crotch was literally an inch from our faces.. He was reaching out & thrusting on top of us.. Some of us just reached out to touch his hand like normal people do but ended up being shoved into touching his “bulge”. Not regretting touching it either but definitely wasn’t what I was going for.

      These 2 old women next to me were REALLY copping a feel though.. Squeezing it and crap.. Pretty creepy but he seemed to like it & stood there for a good 30 seconds while everyone felt him up. . He was just standing there with his tongue out & his head back whilethey did it so I guess he enjoyed it lmao

      Then, he came BACK to the same spot & did it again but this time things got quite out of hand.. People started shoving & getting violent so that they could try to touch his cock again. They couldn’t reach so they ended up tugging on BOTH of his legs & almost pulled him into the crowd. He kinda lost his balance for a sec & looked pretty scared for his safety. I was pretty scared too. He looked down & saw the horrified look on my face but then we both laughed lmaoooo..

      After he walked away, the two creepy old women next to me said “I went for his balls but he moved away =(“… Uh.. no comment on that!

      My thoughts on letting his fans feel him up?: The dude knows he has a monster in his pants & gets a kick out of showing it off to the fans. No harm done there, I guess since he seemed to enjoy it until he almost fell into the crowd.

      If anyone has any other questions, just ask. I don’t feel comfortable posting details about how his dick felt but it was definitely huge.. That’s all I’m saying LOL

      Oh sorry for rambling but just wanted to say one more thing. If you plan on being in front row in the future for an Adam event, please be careful. The women behind me was so aggressive that she accidently ripped my earlobe.

      • Nich permalink
        February 14, 2010 2:43 pm

        I don’t understand what’s hot and sexy and RAWK n ROLL about a bunch of older women feeling up a gay man’s dick in concert. It’s kinda skeevy and defeats the person. His dick don’t want you.

        • Mithra permalink
          February 14, 2010 5:50 pm

          Feeling up any man’s dick who you’re not involved with is skeevy. WTF?

          Here’s more insanity from Planet Fucktards:

          http://www.planetfierce.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=single&action=display&thread=442&page=24

          Check out the highly annoying review by a wanna be writer mom (there’s 24 pages already and I only clicked on two. God only knows what’s lurking in that thread…) THEN, we are informed by one of the co authors of the Adam fanfic porn book, Juneau, that her partner Xena attended the show and will be posting a review!!! Wow, more awesome writing and insanity to look forward to! 😀

      • Seeker permalink
        February 14, 2010 5:59 pm

        “Long Live Rock & Roll” … But but … Adam’s more Dance /Electronic POP … ain’t he?
        Yay for Glamberts!!! Yay!! I’m so glad Adam’s encouraging & fullfiling their wildest dreams…

    • TopIdol permalink
      February 14, 2010 1:12 pm

      I cannot wait to read this drivel.

    • emma permalink
      February 14, 2010 1:19 pm

      If I ever meet this Kerry Kolsch person I may hit her in the face…then take her to the nearest psychiatric hospital. I seriously hate this person…and I try not to hate anyone.

    • February 14, 2010 1:51 pm

      If that book is published I hope she gets sued for slander.

      (I’ve commented once before but can’t remember the name I used.)

  4. erinnthered permalink
    February 14, 2010 7:39 am

    I just watched Slezak’s video of Crazy, and Cale just won my heart. He tossed out his set list before he left the stage. That? Is too awesome for words. The dude cares about the fans. Very, very cool.

  5. erinnthered permalink
    February 14, 2010 5:43 am

    Catching up here…on the phone again…

    So, the Glamberts have decided to start a round “I know you are but what am I” and seem to be using as many Fox News tactics as they can? Nice.

    Two fainters? People who left won’t own up. Adam got drunk and left his BB at the Highline. He was so hung over he had the do WWFM six times and forgot the lyrics to Music Again at VH1? (If true, so professional)

    TI, do you feel comfortable confirming things? Did many Glamberts complain about the venue? Were there issues with either of the others’ fan groups – that you know? What were your impressions of the three? As artists and as people now that you’ve seen them live.

    Blacklisted or Mer are welcome to jump in.

    Hugs to Lauren, 8sour, lamberkitten, jillian, and all the sane Adam fans. I’m really sorry you have to deal with this.

  6. deez permalink
    February 14, 2010 1:56 am

    http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/02/13/kradison-concert-nyc-highline-idol/

    Link to Slezak’s Kradison article. It’s very complimentary to all three….read the comment section, lol. Glamberts have short-term memory loss. THEY WERE NOT PRE-PLANNING THAT EXIT!!!!!! ( which is interesting since THEY TWEETED ABOUT IT and even Kris fans knew about it in advance lol) No… they had buses to catch, or they had to save their ears from kris’ abominable singing (the same “horrific caterwauling” that they were “forced to endure” during the show). After all the shit they’ve pulled, they’ve finally ended up neck and neck with the Claymates, and are now saying that Kristards are the most venomous hate-spewing fanbase in history!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Bwahahahaha) Strange how THEY are the only ones who notice that. Hmmmmm, I guess that was Kris who has called his fans out on Twitter a few times, I guess those DJ’s were telling Kris fans to stop harrassing them, I guess those were Kris fans booing other performers on tour, I guess those were Kris fans walking smugly out of the concert and being called on it by every entertainment journalist there. BUT NO! They are telling truth and everybody else is lying.

    Seriously, I’m sick of them. (the comedy is even starting to wear thin)

    • Nich permalink
      February 14, 2010 2:08 am

      I went to read that and saw 439 replies. WTF! After a few “omg people were outside in the COLD and they had to leave to catch their BUS” comments I had to stop. Plus if Adam had been the last performer you know they wouldn’t have said jack about catching a bus.

    • Lauren permalink
      February 14, 2010 2:21 am

      That thread just disgusted me. One of the comments compared Kris to ice cream and Adam to whiskey. I don’t see the insult. Ice cream is delicious! I want ice cream BEFORE that yucky liquor stuff.
      Anyway this comment pretty much sums up why I am especially mad at the people who left.

      “Maybe because these were free tickets that could only be won. It might blow your mind, but there are some people who actually like all THREE of the artists and would have stayed the whole time. Those that left just screwed over the Kradison fans. If you only like Adam, then wait for his tour to get tickets. A Kradison concert will probably never happen again.”

      It wasn’t just disrespectful to Kris and extremely immature, it wasn’t fair to the people who couldn’t acquire tickets and would have stayed for the whole thing.

    • abu permalink
      February 14, 2010 2:21 am

      I never followed the antics of the Claymates … you’re saying that the Glamberts just now caught up to the Claymates?

    • Mithra permalink
      February 14, 2010 8:15 am

      Seriously, I’m sick of them. (the comedy is even starting to wear thin)

      Here, the comments section in this blog are much funnier:

      http://gaysocialites.com/2010/02/adam_lambert_parties_hard_at_t.html

      Seems a lot of Glamberts are still thinking he’s not really gay and can be changed 😉

      • Mithra permalink
        February 14, 2010 8:18 am

        Here’s another, nice pic 😀 😛

        http://gaysocialites.com/2010/02/adam_lambert_gets_rowdy_at_the_1.html

        • Seeker permalink
          February 14, 2010 8:34 am

          I find it adorable that Glamberts actually think they can ‘change’ Adam. Delusion is like a comforting blanket on a cold lonely night.

          • Mithra permalink
            February 14, 2010 10:52 am

            Yeah, the comments are hilarious, but he is trying to sell them the delusion. I guess he and his people don’t think it’ll hurt, just like so many stay closeted for their careers. His problem is that it’s making the crazies cling on harder, and they have a voice on the internet where ANYONE can say whatever shit they want and as often as they want and pretty much wherever. It’s amazing to me that a large percentage of ALL fanbases actually think they have a chance with their chosen star or idol. Snowball’s chance in hell unless they are also in the industry in some form and are accomplised. .000001% would be lucky to just be a groupie or one night stand.

            This reminds me of the fights the Santards would cause on gay blogs. That was even funnier because it was mostly 12 year old girls saying he’s not gay and that he was going to marry them. You also had the sleazy frau being gross, which was worse because it was a minor. Adam knows he’s playing them and probably gets a laugh, but then he also probably has to drink the creepy feelings away. I haven’t seen this one yet, but I’m sure it already happened or will – an Adamtard arguing with a gay blog owner that they are really not gay if they give strong hugs because the gheys give limpy hugs, and being called out as batshit by the guy (this actually happened 😀 ) I’m sure those who have followed Clay have a whole bunch of hilarious stories as well.

            The other blog is funny with the drunk pic, and the comments I saw on Planet Fucktards and MJs are just as delusional as well. ZOMG Adam doesn’t drink!!! Same old, newer face. Blake Lewis wasn’t ever piss arsed drunk and high on coke – he’s just outspoken and has a balance problem. Castro and Sanjaya aren’t potheads, they just act flaky, smile and giggle a lot, and are so deep they are on a different spiritual plane than mere mortals. David Archuleta didn’t just step off the slow bus and looks like a ten year old…etc. Fantards are not seeing these people for who they really are. Adam has only himself to blame if his selling of the illusion continues to be beyond his control. It seems he THINKS he’s in control, and clearly he’s not.

      • emma permalink
        February 14, 2010 12:34 pm

        According to one comment, Adam’s being gay is just a temporary thing. LOL

        Um, ok, then — delusional much?

        I realize it is only a small percentage of Adam’s fans who are BSC, but they are so OTT sometimes that it really gives his entire fanbase a bad name.

      • Nich permalink
        February 14, 2010 2:12 pm

        The temporarily gay comment had me howling. Oh ladies.

        I also love the assertions that other gay people just don’t understand Adam’s lifestyle because he outgays every gay that’s ever been. He invented flamboyance you know. But only temporarily.

    • Diana permalink
      February 14, 2010 8:28 am

      Kudos to everybody who got through the comments there. I couldn’t. First five and i think i have pretty good idea where is this going. Shut up stupid glamberts! Just STFU!!!

      • Mithra permalink
        February 14, 2010 10:57 am

        Oh come on, you’re missing so much comedy gold! 😀

        Here’s a couple I just pulled while slumming through MJs:

        I’ve got the t.v. on with the Olympics playing. The commentary on some athlete was in the aftermath… blah blah… “Aftermath” another good Adam song for sports and sports comebacks.

        I know that some people don’t care for Adam’s makeup. But everyone looks a little better with some makeup. Not that I think Adam needs makeup.

        Anyway, during a 4th of July bbq (and I’m so sorry if I’m repeating this)a bunch of our geeky husbands put on eyeliner a la Adam, and honestly it made them look so cute, weird too. But it sure makes the eyes standout! It was pretty funny. The wives liked the guyliner.

        So my post is in response to Adam’s black lipstick. I think a lot of guys would look cute with lipstick, just like our guys did in eyeliner. It would make their lips stand out.

        • Muzikizmi permalink
          February 14, 2010 11:42 am

          Mithra, I followed your link, and the Glamberts posting there, are scary in their delusions. If Adam had gay sex on stage, they would claim he just got worked up by looking out at the beautiful courgars in the audience, and was too inexperienced and shy to try sex with a woman.

        • abu permalink
          February 14, 2010 11:49 am

          If your husband starts sporting makeup like Adam, I think it’s time to call a divorce lawyer.

        • Diana permalink
          February 14, 2010 4:48 pm

          ok, that was funny!thx

  7. Diana permalink
    February 13, 2010 9:27 pm

    So apparently Lambert got wasted after the concert and also lost his phone after making out with some dude. Seriously how much drunk was he during the concert?

    • Lauren permalink
      February 13, 2010 9:38 pm

      I heard that too. I have no clue what the source is so I am not going to believe it. According to some friends on Twitter, Tommy smelled like alcohol when he danced with them. Not that that is surprising at all.

    • TopIdol permalink
      February 13, 2010 10:16 pm

      Funny, because there WAS a Blackberry left at the Highline last night. Backstage. They thought it was a promoter’s…

      So Lambert got wasted and lost his phone. Wow. That’s hilarious. The irony!

      Oh, and I can’t blame Tommy for getting drunk in order to dance with Glamberts.

      • abu permalink
        February 13, 2010 11:06 pm

        Maybe I’m just dense, but I don’t get the irony.

        (BTW, I finally read some John Mayer articles and now I understand why people think he’s a douche. My pop culture knowledge is lacking if you haven’t noticed.)

      • Diana permalink
        February 14, 2010 8:38 am

        Well i would probably drink a lot too. Glamberts were too close to the stage this time. But is he trying to pull Lyndsey Lohan or what? He seemed kind of wild from the videos. And why are the women grabbing his crotch and why is he letting them? Gross

        • deez permalink
          February 14, 2010 2:10 pm

          this will stop after his first crushed testicle.

    • erinnthered permalink
      February 13, 2010 10:18 pm

      Where are you getting this from? Where do I go to get the good goss on last night? MJs? Which thread? I want to limit my exposure to Tess et al.

      • margie permalink
        February 13, 2010 10:59 pm

        Adam was trashed. But he is a rock star!!! All is good 😉 I hope they release what is on that phone Paris Hilton style. Sorry Lauren but that is what he becoming to in my eyes. Don’t hate me 🙂

        Fame at all costs. He just looks, acts so sleazy now. It’s trashy. I can see why he has so many older women as fans. They haven’t had sex in years in fact probably haven’t even seen a dick in years.

        • abu permalink
          February 13, 2010 11:15 pm

          I’m not a big fan, but I tend to overlook these kinds of transgressions. As long as they don’t put anybody in harms way, they can get trashed as much as they want. Some people will condemn it, but that’s the price of being a public figure.

          • margie permalink
            February 13, 2010 11:34 pm

            I don’t mind the drinking. It’s the other stuff Adam has been doing. He just looks and acts sleazy…to me at least. But maybe this is really is the real Adam now. I don’t know but my opinion of him has been lowering for awhile now and I used to love him.

            • alex permalink
              February 14, 2010 4:43 am

              adam is a pig. and i don’t care how well his fans think he can sing, or how much they think he is destined for stardom, most stars who behave in the manner he is, at this early stage of his career usually end up pretty badly… the image of the sex crazed, drunken ”rock star” is cliched, unoriginal and played out. i see the attraction young, impressionable people may have for this kind of act – all they have are stories and preconceived notions of what a ”rock star” is supposed to be like, so this is like forbidden fruit. the older fans are just tragic, and trying to relive, recapture or receate some part of their long dead youth, or adam provides them an outlet for a lot of things they think they missed. for the rest of us, it’s just tasteless, sleazy, tacky and really sad in a way, because it’s not like he doesn’t have talent. so why does he feel the need to rely on this played out schtick in his shows to get the crowd going. i think adam is fucked up in the head, i really do, and it’s not going to be pretty the longer this plays out.

    • jukejoint permalink
      February 13, 2010 11:36 pm

      The newest Adam-gate is that he was supposedly hungover for his VH-1 taping and screwed up a bunch of stuff. Someone said he forgot a bunch of words and had to keep retaping things.

      • saskin permalink
        February 14, 2010 12:35 am

        See? I said it is not a concert, it is a promotional concert video shoot. His career is dead, dead dead. It is only his fans who won’t get it.

        Pathetic really. I mean they are still trying to justify walking out of a concert before an act. Duh, his fans are such retards that they can not tell a music concert from a carnival so they would just walk out of a concert in the middle. This is really classy behavior glamberts. As someone else said, now all the artists will go crazy for Lambert to open their shows. Yay.

        • jukejoint permalink
          February 14, 2010 1:33 am

          They also seem to have sounded the alarm and sent out the troops, so there are bunches of them (or maybe one with a lot of sockpuppets) screeching about how Kris fans are the worst bunch of jerks on the planet, spewing hate and making them hate Kris because they hate his fans. It’s all, let me say it about you so when you say it about me I can say hahahaha said it about you first!

          I guess. I’m not exactly sure why the fact that Glamberts walked out before Kris’s set and several different bloggers reported on it has made these Glamberts so angry. Isn’t that what they wanted, for their pre-planned dis to be noticed and remarked upon to show the object of their disrespect (Kris) that he was disrespected? If a dis falls in the forest without any bloggers to report it, does it count?

          • margie permalink
            February 14, 2010 1:41 am

            They are idiots. They wanted praise not disgust. It did not work to there favor so now they are on damage control. Excuses I had to get home for the babysitter, catch a bus, tired from the weather etc…and since when has Kris fans spammed Adam articles? I want to see this.

            Adam is going to kill his career even though he is on a rocky start…it is stupid fans. (The Glamberts) They managed to piss off Jim C and Michael S.

            • margie permalink
              February 14, 2010 1:42 am

              ^Adam is NOT going to kill…edit

              • deez permalink
                February 14, 2010 2:03 am

                You know, I’ve enjoyed their idiocy, but after the reading the comments on Slezak’s article…they are starting to piss me off. You’d think as time passed they’d become less “Glamberty”, but it’s only gotten worse. I can laugh at the peeps on Mjs but some of the stuff at EW was almost offensive.

                I know one of the hallmarks of “becoming a tard” is when you take this crap personally, and I gotta say that I’m starting to. (as much as i hate to admit it) It’s wearing pretty thin. God, I hope I don’t get invested in anybody this season. I really don’t want a new group of morons getting on my nerves, lol.

                • Lauren permalink
                  February 14, 2010 2:08 am

                  I think the tard contest ironically will keep us grounded.
                  The Glamberts bother me probably more than they bother you guys. They are the reason I can’t fully participate in my fandom and just plain embarrassing to be associated with. Plus, they might ruin my favorite artist’s chance at success. :/

                  • Diana permalink
                    February 14, 2010 8:49 am

                    As long as he’s be able to sustain radio play, i think he is safe.

                  • deez permalink
                    February 14, 2010 2:21 pm

                    I can see why you react that way. If I never found this blog with normal fans like you, Sour, Sherena and Lamberkitten, I would probably be making broader assumptions about Glamberts than I already do. The tarding stuff is fun to mock, but honestly it’s inoffensive (the dressing up, SQUEEE!!!, etc….) but the juvenile comment crap is so off-putting. I’ve noticed the Kris fans getting personal over Adam as well (which they should KNOCK OFF). I don’t know if it’s a reaction in kind, or whether they do it to get under the skin of Glamberts or what , but it really is ridiculous. I wish each fan base would restrict commentary to articles about their fav. If it’s an article on all 3, I wish praise could be given w/o putting down someone else. I liked it so better when everything was all KRADAMY.

                    • Lauren permalink
                      February 14, 2010 2:38 pm

                      I think the tardy stuff vs. the trolling/ Kris-hating is what really separtes people like Sour, me, Sherena, Lamberkitten from the cray crays. I squee, I made a fricken tard shirt but I still can see how crazy some of these fans are.
                      Everything was better when Kradam was the dominant ship. I blame Tommy for this mess. The Glamberts no longer feel forced to be nice to Kris.

                • Nich permalink
                  February 14, 2010 2:14 am

                  I hope after this Rock My Town concert mess that Adam and Kris never again tour or do a show *together* because the fan groups should never be near each other again.

                  • Lauren permalink
                    February 14, 2010 2:22 am

                    ARE YOU TRYING TO RUIN MY LIFE???????

                    • Nich permalink
                      February 14, 2010 2:27 am

                      LOL sorry but Kradam is not helping like it did on the show. Now it’s just making things worse. 😦 No more shows together!

                    • Lauren permalink
                      February 14, 2010 2:48 am

                      While you may be right, I still selfishly desire another Kradam performance. One that I can go to D:

                  • blacklisted permalink
                    February 14, 2010 3:06 am

                    I’m with Lauren, I want to see another Kradison or Kradam performance. That people who stayed til the end lost their shit, they were so happy to see Kradison perform together. Thus why should 5 or 10% of fans fuck it up for everybody else?

                    • Lauren permalink
                      February 14, 2010 3:13 am

                      I lost it watching it on youtube! I can’t imagine what my reaction would have been seeing it live. Haha I probably would have been forever known as the 3rd girl that fainted. xD

                    • Mer permalink
                      February 14, 2010 4:56 am

                      I agree so much. I stayed till the end, rocked out to all three, and had a front row view of “Crazy.” It was incredible. The glamberts that left? THey were neither here nor there for me, and their leaving allowed me to take their spot up close in front of Kris. Sure, the Glamberts were crazy and hilarious to watch (and I was right near the two who fainted) but they weren’t mean spirited, just completely all-about-Adam. They didn’t even know any of Allison’s songs.

                  • Diana permalink
                    February 14, 2010 8:55 am

                    I agree. This is getting really nasty. Or it seems to be from the online madness. But lots of things are exaggerated on internet. But Kradison rocks! I can’t give up on any of them, the hug was really cute. And Adam please get your shit together!

                  • Muzikizmi permalink
                    February 14, 2010 10:35 am

                    I hope Kris never has to appear with Adam ever again. Glamberts have walked out on Kris 53 times now, including the AI tour. I’ll be damned if I want them to get opportunity #54.
                    My dream is to get a chance to walk out on Adam, in a quiet, tender moment in a song. It would be glorious revenge.

                    • abu permalink
                      February 14, 2010 11:47 am

                      Let it go. please. The glamberts act this way because they are still bitter and bitterness is such a destructive emotion. Please don’t turn into a glambert.

                    • Muzikizmi permalink
                      February 14, 2010 12:20 pm

                      Don’t worry Abu, it is just a dream and not a plan. I am insufferably polite in real life.

          • emma permalink
            February 14, 2010 12:41 pm

            To be fair, there are some Kris fans who are just as nasty to Adam as some of Adam’s fans are to Kris. There is blame to go around on both sides and it’s very sad because it’s so juvenile and taints all the fans of both these guys as loonies — not just the BSC ones.

            I’m sure that some of the people who left after Adam’s set had legit reasons to do so. But there were also people who deliberately planned in advance to walk out as a sign of disrespect for Kris. In the en, though, too bad for them, because they not only missed Kris’s great set, they missed the epic Kradison performance of “Crazy”.

            • blacklisted permalink
              February 14, 2010 5:26 pm

              Sorry, there are no legit reasons to leave. This was an intimate concert for Kradison. If someone is so fucking old, infirm or lives out of town then there asses should have attempted to get tickets.

              As a New Yorker, I’ve stood on line for hours, then stayed standing at a venue to then watch a performance ending at 2 or 3 am. These heifers took tickets away from KRADISON fans.

              Fuck them, at least they should have shown some respect. Oh and I don’t give a shit about parents either. If they have rugrats they have to get to, then maybe they shouldn’t plan trips into NYC. Stay in the burbs. Kris fans lost out because of the heifers stuffing the ballot for a show they had no intention of staying at.

    • Sherena permalink
      February 14, 2010 2:22 am

      AFTER the concert? I just watched the Crazy vid and like, he seemed drunk DURING the concert.

      • Sherena permalink
        February 14, 2010 2:29 am

        Maybe I’m talking about a different concert. In that case, I take it back. Or maybe not, since Adam does seem to be drunk a lot as a rule.

      • blacklisted permalink
        February 14, 2010 3:00 am

        lol but yeah, Adam had a few after his set on Friday and appeared a wee bit buzzed during ‘Crazy’.

  8. blacklisted permalink
    February 13, 2010 3:10 pm

    I uploaded all the videos from my nano except Heartless which I have to flip. My favorites were the Kradison group sing Crazy and Kris’ rendition of Come Together.

    • Sherena permalink
      February 14, 2010 2:25 am

      I liked that performance of Crazy too! Kris has REALLY improved as a performer since the tour, and definitely since Idol. He has more confidence and ease now, which gives his performance more… swagger, can I say? I still think Allison needs to learn how to rein in her voice a bit, but she had some really glorious parts– I love her voice. And Adam is adorably drunk here. It definitely fits the spirit of the song, Crazy 😛

  9. Mithra permalink
    February 13, 2010 2:53 pm

    Oh god. Not only did TI have a CHATBRAT sighting/encounter, but get a load of this – someone found this (posted by PoT – scroll down):

    http://www.votefortheworst.com/forum/topic6324-1620.html

    😀 😀 😀 :d 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

    And the Sparkle cows were fainting? Oh how “presh” 😉 Clealy this is the first time in their 69 years that they have ever attended a concert. It’s no wonder they think Adam is a RAWK GOD, because back in the day they were listening to Lawrence Welk and Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass, so this is all new to them. Bless their hearts 😀

    • Mithra permalink
      February 13, 2010 2:57 pm

      Oh, and you know it must have been embarrassing for Adam, so he panics and tries to get dirty and let people grab the glambulge? Nice precedent. I hope there is video of that casino gig – because you just know all the Pasta Babys are gonna demand a piece of that 😀 it only gets worse Adam, they will all try to one up each other…

      • 8sourcandy permalink
        February 13, 2010 6:29 pm

        Frak selling music and playing seedy casinos in the DESERT.

        Adam Lambert should have one of those sex toy companies replicate the Glambulge and sell them for $200 each. The deluxe version can vibrate in syncronization to the beat of “For Your Entertainment” and retail for $500.
        A life size “Glittery Alien” sex doll, with three openings, a vibrating tongue featuring “life like” skin and hair can retail for $2,500. Outfits sold separately. 🙂

        And Q3 thinks she’s a marketing genius, ha!

        • 8sourcandy permalink
          February 13, 2010 6:32 pm

          Two opening, I forgot..he’s a boy.

          • Mithra permalink
            February 13, 2010 7:21 pm

            Really. He’s opened Pandora’s Box now. He should have known better after the Idol Tour.

            So, were there any more sightings of the street teaming for this tome? (besides the washroom where it was found):

          • jukejoint permalink
            February 13, 2010 8:17 pm

            Okay, this is really gross, but 8Sour started it.

            When I was little, there were these dolls, Tiny Tears and Betsy Wetsy, that you could put water in, and the first one would cry while the second one would pee. So I am envisioning your Adam doll with a tiny hole in the Glambulge, so you can fill him with water to make him pee like Betsy Wetsy or he could have, like, a kung fu grip-like special erector feature that simulates up and down action for the Glambulge. I can just see the ads: Glitter jiz sold separately.

            • 8sourcandy permalink
              February 14, 2010 4:51 pm

              I think that shit would sell like crazy. I once read a tard poem in which glitter jiz played a prominent part. There is a market. 🙂

          • Muzikizmi permalink
            February 13, 2010 8:45 pm

            It’s an easy mistake to make, with that Liza Minelli look and all. I have watched the ‘Crazy’ vid from last night a few times, and I still can’t see the ‘sex god’ in Mr. Lambert at all. I see a sleazy guy who wears women’s jeans, so that the Glambulge will be ‘spotlighted’. It does give him a baggy a$$ though.

        • Lauren permalink
          February 13, 2010 9:19 pm

          What scares me is Sour probably wants one of those dolls 😉

          • 8sourcandy permalink
            February 14, 2010 4:58 pm

            No, my dear not the doll. First, it would be too expensive. Second, where would I store it during off hours, and third, buying clothes for it would cut into my own clothing budget. 🙂

            I went to The Sex Museum in NYC last month with some friends and they had all this stuff, including the vibrator that can be synced to music. I was fascinated. Not so fascinated as to shell out money for it though.

            Cheap trumps horny! My mom would be proud.

            • Lauren permalink
              February 14, 2010 6:52 pm

              Hahahaha! For the price, you could set up a paypal box on your blog. Just tell people its for your dying Grandpa or something. Obviously, the doll would be proudly displayed in the window during off hours. You don’t need to cut into your own clothing budget, you could simply share clothes with it 😉 Easy solutions to your troubles.

    • lin permalink
      February 13, 2010 11:22 pm

      This comment from adamofficial I think is from the woman who has a book coming out about how Kris “cheated” to win Idol..its really hilarious the stuff she makes up about Kris and how everyone believes her.

      KerryK:
      Re: I Had The Best Time Of My Life AT The Concert
      Two people passed out one during Adam’s set and one during Kris’. Adam stopped everything and had his crew get her water. He acted concerned, asked her if she was all right and when she was he resumed his performance. Kris ignored the women and never mentioned or noticed what was happening. I spoke to her in the lobby and she said she started feeling sick when Kris came on from the strobe lights, added volume and the long cold day. When Kris took the stage he turned up the sound and in that small venue it was unnecessarily loud. People were stressed by what they had to endure to get inside. I got there just before seven but when I drove by earlier in the day people were camped out in the snow for hours before the show. Keeping people out in the cold when the scanner for the tickets broke was wrong. Some people could not take the cold and left. In the end they just gave up and let everyone in with a printed ticket.

      For me Adam’s performance alone was worth the long wait in the freezing cold. He was electrifying from the moment he took the stage. His hair sparkled with glitter and his makeup including lipstick was campy. He looked much thinner in person than the times that I saw him on tour. I had a great view from the end of a bar that was closest to the stage. Not to lose my spot I consumed quit a few martinis. Vocally it may have been his best performance ever. Each word he sang was precise in texture and key. Even though I had watched the gridlock videos this Adam brought something different to the stage. He was sexually playful but never vulgar. This was an intimate setting and his energy heated the room. He is a magical performer that is so captivating that all thoughts are suspended except that you know a masterful artist is entertaining you. He did get close to the audience and was groped but I am not sure about how many hands or what body parts were involved.

      I would have been happier if it was just Allison and Adam. When Kris performed it was like a group of college boys playing around rather than a professional polished group. Adam’s band members are individually excellent musicians. Allison has also put together an interesting and talented group including two women and a guitar player with Adam’s hairdo. Kris on the other hand does not have particularly talented musicians. They are at times difficult to listen to if you have a trained ear. People left because Kris has gone from bland to annoying.

      • margie permalink
        February 13, 2010 11:31 pm

        LOL Kris’ band is the one that has gotten the praise. So now she is a musical critic on top of lawyer, chef, writer, etc. When does she sleep?

      • jukejoint permalink
        February 13, 2010 11:34 pm

        I think that woman is mentally ill. It’s gone past point and laugh and more point out to medical personnel so they can help her.

      • abu permalink
        February 13, 2010 11:36 pm

        Kerry Kolsch is a caricature of glambert. She’s too funny, but sometimes I feel guilty laughing at her since she obviously has some mental problems — Kris is out to get Adam so he must be destroyed with exteme prejudice.

      • Claire permalink
        February 13, 2010 11:46 pm

        I thought this ‘lawler’ was from Florida. Does that mean she also cheated by looking up some random NY zip code and tried to pass it off as her own so that she’d be eligible for this concert? To me that seems more like cheating than voting for someone on AI, especially considering that the whole point of the show is to vote for your favorite so that he/she advances.

        Also, I kept seeing Kerry’s name on this site, so out of curiosity I looked her up on the Florida Bar website about month or so ago. I remember it saying something about her not being eligible to practice in that state. Maybe she’s writing her book since she now has a lot of time on her hands.

        • deez permalink
          February 14, 2010 12:33 am

          So the Great American Idol Expose is entitled “Second to None” and is to be released Feb 19th? HOLY SHIT! I CANNOT WAIT!!!! I’m sure she will send one to Adam, and hope I he returns it with along with a note to shove it straight up her ass.

          This woman should be a total joke even in Glambertland.

          • jukejoint permalink
            February 14, 2010 12:43 pm

            I tried the website address on the flyer and there’s nothing there. If the book is going to be sold as of Feb 19, shouldn’t the website be up and running now to take orders? Obviously, this is a vanity press/self-pub kind of deal (I mean, did you SEE the flyer?) but it’s going to have to be sold somewhere. Amazon will sell anything, but then she has to give them 70% of the cover price, and their sales might amount to, oh, 20 books, anyway. Sticking flyers in a bathroom doesn’t seem to be too destined for success if the website address on the flyers isn’t really a site.

            Oh, wait, I know! Those rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth Kris fans did it! They put out fake flyers and a fake website address to waylay and confuse her potential customers! I heard they also put on a ton of glitter and eyeliner and wore sparkly shirts that said ADAM on them and left en masse when Kris started so it would look bad for Glamberts and they knocked people down during Adam’s set to make it look like crazy Glamberts were passing out and when someone did really pass out they made sure Kris ignored her and laughed at her pain with his sicko junior high level band members and they passed around poisoned Chick-Fil-A sandwiches to make the Glamberts sick and they got voodoo masters to cast spells on Adam and also to ply him with liquor and pills to make him forget his words at VH-1 and they made a big hole in the Ozone and sent the earthquake to Haiti and arranged for Justin Bieber to have the first solo on the new We Are the World and rigged the election for Scott Brown to torpedo health care reform in the Senate. It’s all true, y’all. You can look it up in Kerry’s book IF she ever gets out from under the evil thumb of the Kristard Empire to speak the truth!!!!!111!!!eleventy!!!111!!!!

            • Lauren permalink
              February 14, 2010 1:12 pm

              HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! THOSE KRISTARDS DID ALL OF IT!!!!!!!! Any time disaster strikes, I think we all know who is at fault.

              • Naiya permalink
                February 14, 2010 8:28 pm

                “Who” is at fault. Get it? Who? Sorry…

            • on the edge permalink
              February 14, 2010 2:38 pm

              …um, you left out global warming, the east coast blizzard, and making Paula quit Idol. Yep, us Kristards did all of that too. 😉

              • on the edge permalink
                February 14, 2010 2:41 pm

                Oh, and Marcell Dareus, the Alabama tackle that took out Colt McCoy in the BCS Championship? Yeah, he’s a Kristard…paid in Chick-Fil-A sandwiches. Call the NCAA!

              • Lauren permalink
                February 14, 2010 2:43 pm

                You mean I have Krisrtards to thanks for Winter Break #2? I love you guys!

              • jukejoint permalink
                February 14, 2010 3:46 pm

                I had the hole in the ozone, so technically, I’m covered on global warming. I mean, it IS global, and we all know the AT&T/Chick-Fil-A/WalMart conspiracy extends all the way to the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Queen Elizabeth and the Trilateral Commission. I wonder if the Vanderbilts are also involved. After all, the patriarch of the Vanderbilt family was The Commodore, whose first name was Cornelius, of which the short form is NEIL, which is Kris’s father’s name and also his middle name. Proof!!!!! The Vanderbilts were in on it, tooooooooo!!!

                So, yes, global warming covered, but I neglected to include Enron, the recession, the bank panic, the bailout, teabaggery and the Bridge to Nowhere. Also, I live in Illinois, so I’m going to blame Kristards for Rod Blagoevich and his douchery, as well. I think blaming them for shooting Lincoln is probably overreaching, though.

                • on the edge permalink
                  February 14, 2010 8:18 pm

                  And according to Vote For The Worst, his nickname was “Who,” which therefore answers two of life’s biggest mysteries.

                  It was Kris on first, and Kris let the dogs out!

      • Mer permalink
        February 14, 2010 5:12 am

        LOL, what? I didn’t see anyone collapse during Kris’s set. No way Kris would have.

      • emma permalink
        February 14, 2010 12:46 pm

        I seriously wonder about this woman’s sanity. She is worse than any of the other BSC Glamberts because she seems determined to try and wreck Kris’s career with all her nasty lies.

  10. DeeDee permalink
    February 13, 2010 1:24 pm

    Recaps please!! We need someone to tell us fact from fiction.

    • blacklisted permalink
      February 13, 2010 2:58 pm

      I sent a recap to TI (not necessarily a review). This is a little different but maybe it will answer some questions.

      The three were pretty terrific and each played to their strength.

      Allison’s voice is beautiful and her stage style is very natural. She had fans and yes she IS a star in the making.

      Adam played up the sexy. I find it an act and giggle over it like I think Adam intended but many menopausal women think it’s real. A lot of the ladies who got there early were for him. He brings out the crazy, loyal and dizzy. The fainting was hilarious. At one point he got close enough that this woman started rubbing him. I couldn’t even look since I knew she was old enough to be my mother. Whenever he rubbed himself I would smirk and give him my ‘oh come on’ look. It was just really funny for me I guess.

      Kris and his band are really tight. All their touring has paid off. I hope they keep Drew as a drummer.

      In terms of Kradison, they were great together. You could see how they communicate with each other just by using their eyes, especially Kradam. Three different stage styles during the group sing but it worked. Fantastic chemistry.

      Kris has the ability to win people over like he did my friend AND I FINALLY realized that the OTT glamberts just refuse to give Kris a shot and that’s why it’s a losing battle with them. For example, at the end of the concert my friend was excited to report to one of the glamberts that we met, how amazed she was by Kris. The glambert told her that she wouldn’t know since she went to the bar and wasn’t paying attention. IMO if they keep their ears open, they’d like what they hear. Pity that they some won’t even give him the courtesy.

      A number of them left to the bathroom, bar or just plan left right after Adam finished. Fine by me as it allowed me to be closer to Kris. Rude on the part of those who actually left since REAL Kradison fans were shut out the show b/c they couldn’t buy tixs. The excuse by the glamberts that they had to get the bus, etc home was bullshit. Why the fuck vote for NYC if there asses weren’t living in NY or able to stay for a concert? Dumb bitches just took away opportunity for REAL New Yorkers or people who wanted to see all three perform. Honestly, people who go to clubs to see an act expect to stay for the whole thing. This ain’t no fucking family concert, this is fucking New York City and we party till the end.

      Another example of rude glambert: one threw an Adam shirt at the beginning of Kris’ set. You could see in his eyes that Kris was not taking it. Pocket Idol got the message and basically just looked at them like they were asses. Luckily, Kris fans just laughed it off but yeah, poor Kris had just finished his first song and they tried to bring him down. I wonder if that dumb bitch’s momma’s ever taught her any manners?

      You could tell the difference between Adam and Kris stans. A big difference was age. Besides not giving him a shot, the glamberts left on break b/c their knees and back can’t take standing up for too long. The Kris fans just bid their time to get up front and then they gave Kris a lot of love. A lot of variety up front for Kris, particularly a lot of 20-somethings and a couple of guys got close too.

      I’m not sure what’s controversial since I don’t read twitter nor read MJs.

      • Lauren permalink
        February 13, 2010 3:07 pm

        Blacklisted, you’re going to make me start crying again! It just isn’t fair. Why let the Sparklecows in when there are people (myself included) that worship the ground all 3 of them walk on? Those assholes don’t walk out because they are old, they walk out because they are trying to spark anger in the sane fans and let Kris know they don’t like him. I saw it at the Idol tour.
        On a brighter note, the group sing video is all sorts of awesome. Kradison is awesome. They are bffs!

        • TopIdol permalink
          February 13, 2010 3:21 pm

          They also have the audacity to complain about the venue and being packed in like sardines. I didn’t feel that way once. I got elbowed a couple of times but I also had ZERO problem seeing the stage.

          I enjoyed myself immensely. I even cheered for Lambert! Ha. Allison just amazes me with her fraking voice. It’s so sick. And Kris Allen, obviously, was awesome. Just awesome. His on-stage confidence and performance just blew me away. Miles from when I saw him in August.

          And you could definitely tell who was there for whom. This probably requires a bit more research, but I honestly think Kris Allen could be the male idol contestant with the most normal fans. I know there much be some batshit crazies out there, don’t get me wrong, but on a whole…

          Seriously. If you’re hanging out with Kristards, none of this shit goes on:
          http://twitpic.com/12v7mv

          • Lauren permalink
            February 13, 2010 3:33 pm

            I saw your pic with Lyndsey! I am so proud of you for hanging out with a glambert, TI! Seeing you two together honestly made me really happy.

            • TopIdol permalink
              February 13, 2010 3:47 pm

              Lyndsey and I have a mutual friend in LA who introduced via FB about a month ago, so it was awesome to finally meet her.

              Many of us Idol bloggers are buddies regardless of who we might end up liking or disliking. Because we are normal people. 😉

              I must say, however, my first experience being around Kristards was a 100% positive one. I have a feeling a Kris Allen show would be nothing like say, the David Cook show I attended last May in Northampton.

              • Lauren permalink
                February 13, 2010 4:06 pm

                I pretty much LOVE all the Idol bloggers. It’s kinda funny how awesome you guys are, compared to the Idol fandom. I mean I wouldn’t quite use the word “normal” though…jk!
                I want to go to a Kris show! Some of the coolest people I met at the tour were Kristards not the Glamberts who kept coming up to me to say they liked my shirt.

          • blacklisted permalink
            February 13, 2010 3:42 pm

            Definite difference between the fanbases. Some of the glamberts just try too hard with their make up or trying to dress 40 years younger. I was embarrassed for some. BTW I’ve seen guys from boybands perform at places like Irving Plaza and even though they have a varied fanbase, you wouldn’t see so many middle aged and elderly women watching.

            We weren’t packed like sardines. I always had a nice space around me, even when being close to Kris. His fans seemed careful not to push or invade. During Adam’s set a few of his fans tried to push but I was around a couple of Kradam stans and we joked that we were a fortress and we weren’t going to be pushed around by the OTT tards. It worked.

            • Lauren permalink
              February 13, 2010 4:02 pm

              Hahaha! Despite what people here may claim, I find Kradam stans to be the most sane. Their love of both artists is proof that they have the ability to realize that destroying someone else doesn’t help their chosen one. Of course there are also the fake Kradam stans that actually only like Adam but most of them are Adommy shippers now. So you chose good people to hang with Blacklisted!

              • blacklisted permalink
                February 13, 2010 4:16 pm

                Yep, I love Kradam fans too. They can appreciate both styles. Of course, real Kradam fans not those fakers who moved on to Adam/Tommy so quickly! Sure, I moved on to Krale but you know my Cale thing. Besides, Kris has a lot of love to give, adding someone else doesn’t change anything. 😉

                • Lauren permalink
                  February 13, 2010 4:27 pm

                  Haha, I understand. Three-some???? Kraledam, Kradamale!!!!!!!!! Soooo much better than Kradommy!!!!

                  • Seeker permalink
                    February 13, 2010 4:44 pm

                    Kraledam, Kradamale!!!!!!!!!
                    Makes perfect sense!

                  • Seeker permalink
                    February 13, 2010 4:55 pm

                    Kraledam, Kradamale!!!!!!!!!
                    Makes perfect sense, coz Krale & Kradam ARE real! Kradommy is not!
                    And TBH the Kradommy even sounds stupid! It sounds like Crash Dummy!
                    Kris & Tommy have nothing in common except that they both are Adam’s ‘type’.

                    • Lauren permalink
                      February 13, 2010 5:35 pm

                      Lol, we can all agree that anything with Tommy isn’t real! KRALEDAM!!!! *tries to figure out what Cale and Adam have in common*

                  • jukejoint permalink
                    February 13, 2010 5:35 pm

                    Krademale is one Hot Tamale?

                    • Seeker permalink
                      February 13, 2010 6:55 pm

                      Lets see….Adam & Cale…. They both are HOT, super talented, they LOVE KRIS, can’t stand Glamberts, they both are alot taller than Kris! OMG! They have so much in common!

                    • Lauren permalink
                      February 13, 2010 9:22 pm

                      I like the way you think, Seeker. How could they not bond over their love for Kris?

                    • Lauren permalink
                      February 13, 2010 9:22 pm

                      I MEAN CALE DOESN’T LOVE KRIS!

                      shoot, these ships are hard to keep up with

                • erinnthered permalink
                  February 13, 2010 10:04 pm

                  So, is Cale just eye candy, or does he have some real talent up there? I really like Is It Over, but I wonder if he’s just there to be Kris’ buddy.

                  • blacklisted permalink
                    February 14, 2010 3:56 am

                    I’ll try to be objective for once in regards to Cale but seriously, I do think he has talent. His singing voice is nice and he’s good on the guitar and keyboards. Sure he might be eye candy to some (i.e. women who still ovulate…I could give you the Darwinian explanation) but I believe he was chosen for what he brings to the band.

                    IMO all the bandmembers bring a special something that makes them click as a whole. Each piece is important, which is why I think they should keep Drew. IMO he was the missing piece to the cohesive whole. Now that they have him, the band is finally in place. It feels like a working system with no real weak points.

                    • Seeker permalink
                      February 14, 2010 8:20 am

                      BL, I completely agree about Drew! I hope stays on. Ryland just doesn’t seem right with the band and as individual drummers, Drew is much better.

                      And regarding Cale’s talents (besides the superficial)
                      http://twiturm.com/zwu7h
                      The Sun – A Cale Mills’ Original.

      • DeeDee permalink
        February 13, 2010 3:07 pm

        From what I read, that shirt throwing was meant to be nice. It supposedly said “That’s Adam”, in reference to Kris’ answer to the AMA questions and his saying he should have a shirt made that said that. Stupid of them to throw it at him though.

        • blacklisted permalink
          February 13, 2010 3:12 pm

          That’s what I originally thought because there was a message on it, but it was at a really dumb time and came across as snarky to Kris who only looked at a bit of the shirt.

      • Mithra permalink
        February 13, 2010 3:51 pm

        Why the fuck vote for NYC if there asses weren’t living in NY or able to stay for a concert? Dumb bitches just took away opportunity for REAL New Yorkers or people who wanted to see all three perform.

        I popped into MJ’s briefly to see this shit posted:

        starstruck2000:
        02/13/2010 at 9:12 am
        “And what evidence do you have to back this up? Everyone who voted had to enter a zip code to prove where they lived. So, a whole lot of people would have had to look up and falsely enter NY zip codes to sway the vote. And if you lived in another town, like LA, why would you vote for NY instead of your own town?”

        It was within the contest rules to vote for somewhere not your home town. We voted for New York because we wanted a neutral territory for this concert to take place. We did not want Allison and Adam to be just opening acts for Kris, which would have happened if it had taken place in Little Rock.

        And this from Tess:

        Tess:
        02/13/2010 at 9:43 am
        Well, thanks to the Universe that Kradison is now history and will, hopefully, never again see the light of day. If Kris and Allison and Adam keep their friendship alive that will be great for them…but as for the three ever performing together again…not something I would care to see.

        AI season 8 really is history and it just needs to belong to the books and not to real life. The performers have moved on to do the things they are interested in doing…and based on what You Tube shows…it looks as though one of them is really, really interested in moving as far away from the “conservatistic fanatism family friendly uptight” atmosphere that is generally thought to be the aura of American Idol. For some AI fans they should be very very happy to let Adam fly off on his glittery comet…that way he can no longer rain on the AI parade.

        OY VEH

        • Lauren permalink
          February 13, 2010 4:24 pm

          Whoever doesn’t want to see Kradison together has a hole where their heart should be. I actually did vote for NYC because it was closer than Little Rock. I didn’t realize you had to actually live in the area. But voting for NYC, just because you don’t want to go to Kris’s hometown is sooooo ridiculous.

  11. Lauren permalink
    February 13, 2010 1:09 pm

    Guys! I didn’t even know this thread was still going! I forgot to turn on email notifiers D: I missed all the Kradison fun! But don’t worry, I spent time at Sour’s blog so I don’t feel too left out.
    I will catch up on this later…after my 12:00 breakfast xD

  12. blacklisted permalink
    February 13, 2010 12:20 pm

    Apparently my friend’s “love at first sight” comment regarding Cale IS on video. Oops.

    Here’s Falling Slowly Mashup with extra Cale tarding.

  13. blacklisted permalink
    February 13, 2010 11:34 am

    Here’s Is It Over. I apologize for the shitty audio and video but I only had my crappy nano with me. I also apologize at screaming ‘OMG’. You all know my Cale thing, therefore, let’s pretend that’s not me.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      February 13, 2010 11:58 am

      I love that you tarded. What the hell are concerts for, if not to scream and be excited by what you are experiencing. Happy you girls had a good time. 🙂

      The quality isn’t that bad. I spent half the night reviewing as many as I could find to post. This is one of the better ones.

      Can’t wait to read all the details!!

  14. blacklisted permalink
    February 13, 2010 2:24 am

    Just to tell you all, I got video of Kradison concert on my ipod nano which I’ll upload tomorrow. A few from the line, part of Kris’ set and all of Kradison’s rendition of Crazy.

    Funniest part, my friend went in a glambert and left a massive Kristard. Our evil plan to win them over one by one is finally working. *bwahahaha*

    • deez permalink
      February 13, 2010 2:35 am

      You MUST give us all the deets tomorrow. Did you see:

      a) Face punching

      b) Frauen hurling insults at each other

      c) crotch rubbing

      d) Glamberts leaving en masse

      e) Fainting Sparklecows

      (in reference to the last, a clever one at MJs said they called the “Glambulance”)

      • blacklisted permalink
        February 13, 2010 3:00 am

        ha, I did see fainting sparklecows and enough crotch grabbing to last me a lifetime.

        I’m going to hopefully write a recap and send the videos tomorrow. I’ll have to figure out how to put the outside the venue vids right side up. Especially since I got a snippet of what can only be called the ugliest plastic surgery on a glambert. Truly hideous job. I hope she got a refund.

        • 8sourcandy permalink
          February 13, 2010 3:43 am

          I am sooooo jealous!!! Can’t wait to hear the recap. 🙂

          I posted some videos on my blog (whatever I have been able scrounge up.)
          None of Kris yet, just Adam and 1 of Allison. Her set streamed the clearest.

          Deez, if you’re still here, go check them out before Lauren wears them out 🙂

          http://8sourcandy.wordpress.com/

          • erinnthered permalink
            February 13, 2010 4:05 am

            Awesome! Thanks, 8sourcandy!

            • 8sourcandy permalink
              February 13, 2010 9:57 am

              You are welcome. 🙂

        • erinnthered permalink
          February 13, 2010 4:16 am

          Enough about the Sparkle Cows, tell me about Cale. 🙂

          Okay, okay, I want to hear about the Sparkle Cows. So some did leave, and others fainted? Adam’s tour is going to be one for the books.

          In other, funny BSC fan news, I just got back from an Improv show at iO West. Dave Holmes of MTV fame was guest hosting one show, and he told stories that inspired the improv. In one he was talking about internet fan groups, and he actually talked about the Claymates. The story rang true in context, so I assume it was.

          Apparently he was lurking on a big Clay fan board the night Clay came out. He said it was awesome and hilarious. He knew what “Clack” was. He even printed out one Claymate’s response. She said she couldn’t listen to “O Holy Night” now that she knew he was having “unholy nights” of his own. Ha!

          Also, Dave’s bf seems like a nice, down to earth, well adjusted, and terribly cute guy. Go Dave!

          • blacklisted permalink
            February 13, 2010 7:06 am

            OMG, Cale was angelic. My friend actually said, “I now believe in love at first sight.” after watching Cale. Apparently, his pheromones are so powerful as to break through to people standing five feet from him. I basically told her to step off, Cale is MINE, all mine!

            And yes a sparkle cow fainted. What a dope. She should have gotten some water instead of fighting to get up front. She wound up only seeing Adam perform for ten minutes and then she was out.

            BTW, I posted the crowd pics on my photobucket. I got screencaps b/c I don’t know how to flip the video.

            60 year old glambert with bad plastic surgery:

            Bored husbands:

            Crowd album:

            http://s862.photobucket.com/albums/ab183/blacklisted2mod/Kradison%20concert%20crowd/

            • rehabilitard permalink
              February 13, 2010 11:15 am

              Yay! Puffy coats, double chins, bored husbands. That’s typical sparkle cow crowd. There is no reviews from them on AO yet, I bet they are all pooped after the concert. Standing for hours is not easy at their age. I am just glad nobody had a heart attack there.

              • TopIdol permalink
                February 13, 2010 11:20 am

                It was very easy to spot the Glamberts. There were definitely more of them. And they were very, very easy to spot.

                I sort of love that I met the one riding around on a Rascal.

                • February 13, 2010 12:02 pm

                  I was trying to eat breakfast but I can’t seem to choke it down now. I’ve got that horrifying but hysterical freedavidcook Rascal porn story stuck stuck in my head. I’m not sure if I should be laughing or running like hell away from my computer right now.

                • Mithra permalink
                  February 13, 2010 12:05 pm

                  You met the infamous Chatbrat. Fanjaya/Santard and now devotee to the Glambulge. Featured on Idletard. Grandmother who I always assumed was a really nasty and bitchy 12 year old until I was informed otherwise 😀 Blingee maker and owner of a tardcar. You’re lucky you made it out alive!

                  • TopIdol permalink
                    February 13, 2010 3:15 pm

                    She was on a Rascal. A Rascal!

                    • Mithra permalink
                      February 13, 2010 3:28 pm

                      Oh yeah. She even I think tried to run people over with one seeing Adam at the Today Show I believe. Rickey has the video of him and you can here her yelling at people to move and he says “there’s Chatbrat!” Ha! She’s delightfully insane, one of the totally batshit crazy tards that are just hilarious. She even made a blingee of herself.

                      Here’s some youtube of her in action:

                      These include a flat tard:

                • rehabilitard permalink
                  February 13, 2010 12:14 pm

                  TI you are here! Waiting for recap, there were a lot of wild tweets last night. Don’t know what to believe.

            • auntieaimee permalink
              February 13, 2010 12:02 pm

              Good lookin’ crowd. Yeeeesh. I admit I was hoping BL was the one to punch somebody in the face.

            • deez permalink
              February 13, 2010 12:02 pm

              Damn, you were swimming in a sea of menopause.

            • Blue Eyes permalink
              February 13, 2010 1:33 pm

              Grandpa looks so out of place. What are these people thinking? Don’t they know they are the reason so many male Idols have failed and Lamebert is going down that same road.

              I also can’t believe the rudeness of these old cows. Someone should yell in their wrinkled old faces “YOU GO HOME, YOU FAT COW”!

  15. deez permalink
    February 13, 2010 1:21 am

    OMG! The awesome sockpuppet tandem of Neil and Mitchel have made an appearance!

    Neil
    02/12/2010 at 11:26 pm
    The reason behind this show was a gimmick to help boost sales for Kris and Allison. Kris continues to have the lowest selling album of all the winners. And Allison’s single and album have all but disappeared. These people are not joined at the hips – and I think it’s a huge mistake to try to market themselves as a group. For any of them to have credibility and longevity in the business, they need to reach way beyond the AI bubble. IMO, this show was moving backwards, not ahead.

    Mitchel
    02/13/2010 at 12:06 am
    I never thought this concert was the brain child of Ryan Seacrest at all. When it was first announced, I saw it more of an edict from 19. Kris and Allison were really struggling with sales and they needed something to build enthusiasm around. I don’t think Seacrest has ever even been a fan of Kris’. I remember how he (and Simon) trashed Kris the day after the finale – predicting that he will be the least successful winner next to Taylor Hicks. I also agree, Adam has moved way beyond this.

    Now KNA and AML need to drop by with “their” version of the same, and the foursome will be complete!

    • Claire permalink
      February 13, 2010 5:37 pm

      Wow, what a coincidence! The sockpuppet tandem of mywaytoday and itdoesntmatter posted almost the exact same messages of TWoP. This shit’s hilarious. I wonder how old she is. I always have to remind myself that these trolls and sockpuppets are typically middle aged women and not immature teenagers (no offense to Lauren). You’d figure that once someone reached middle age, they’d outgrow the pettiness, especially over a karaoke contest that ended months ago.

      • Lauren permalink
        February 13, 2010 5:43 pm

        It’s ok. When it comes to Idol, age maturity seems to be reversed. Most of the people I follow on twitter are around my age, and while they may be over-invested and obsessed, not stalker/ PatstaBaby/troll/ sockpuppet cray cray at all.

    • emma permalink
      February 14, 2010 1:12 pm

      The problem with this theory is that the whole Kradison concert thing was announced BEFORE any of the albums were even released. At the time the contest was set up, no one knew how much any of these guys would sell.

  16. TMS permalink
    February 13, 2010 1:14 am

    My favorite tweet of the night:

    Mer89: Top idol is piss ass drunk and proclaiming herself a shameless kristard 🙂

    • deez permalink
      February 13, 2010 12:55 pm

      LOl!!!! How did I miss that one!! I saw the pic of TI and Slezak! Drunk-Tarding with Slezak…can it get any better than that?

  17. deez permalink
    February 13, 2010 12:56 am

    TI!!!!1111!!!!1!1!11!!!

    greenmelinda http://twitpic.com/12w8u9 – Glambert in rascal with glowstick

  18. deez permalink
    February 12, 2010 10:06 pm

    LULZ:

    xenola: I saw someone texting that a Glambert passed out in line and that’s why the firetruck was here. Loooolllz. Don’t know if it’s true..”

    Friday February 12, 2010 8:57 shoujokakumei
    8:57 Mer89: Lmao at idiots thinking the stage hands are kris’s band.

    Friday February 12, 2010 8:57 Mer89
    8:57 donnerdont: Im shaking and crying right now holy shit.

    Friday February 12, 2010 8:58 Meg_Leisey
    8:58 forgivemymouth_: They say they’re leaving after Adam. PRAISE.

    Friday February 12, 2010 8:58 shoujokakumei
    8:58 briancrowley: Sooo many old people…and no, not cougars…more like grandparents…who knew thes idols had such elderly fans?

    Friday February 12, 2010 8:59 Cazana78
    9:01 iownyourheart: Umm no adam isn’t gonna sign an autograph on stage you dumb bitch

    Friday February 12, 2010 9:01 iownyourheart
    9:01 JJonZ100: Backstage with Danielle Monaro about to bring on Adam Lambert!!!! http://tweetphoto.com/11200696

    Friday February 12, 2010 9:01 JJonZ100
    9:01 RSP: Adam is in the green room warming up his voice. The notes he’s hitting are unbelievable!

    Friday February 12, 2010 9:02 ranam19
    9:02 kissoffools: Lol @mer89 and the asian chick behind her are gonna have a throwdown~

  19. deez permalink
    February 12, 2010 9:59 pm

    If you’re not already doing it, check out Cover It Live @ Mjs… TI’s pic is up!!!! The Glamberts are totally going nuts. Some talk of them staging a walk-out after Adam finishes.

    Surely not. I hope that’s a rumor, surely they wouldn’t be that blatantly rude…but from reading the tweets…I’d say tensions are running high….we may get Fraumageddon for real here.

    • Heather permalink
      February 12, 2010 10:12 pm

      I’m sure they will, since a lot of them did during the Idol tour, supposedly. They have zero class.

      • deez permalink
        February 12, 2010 10:24 pm

        According to the tweets, Glamberts are overwrought and are dropping like flies…wow. Someone tweeted they stopped the show momentarily. Jeebus.

        • Heather permalink
          February 12, 2010 11:02 pm

          and apparently, the Glambcows are leaving before Kris’s set. Uh-huh…..

          • jukejoint permalink
            February 12, 2010 11:07 pm

            One tweet said 30% of the audience left, and another one said a herd of middle-aged women left. LMAO.

            • Heather permalink
              February 12, 2010 11:13 pm

              LOL did they really say “herd”?

            • jukejoint permalink
              February 12, 2010 11:15 pm

              Other people are clarifying that there was a break between sets and some people went to the bathroom or sat in the back (all those aging hips and knees in the Glambert fandom have trouble standing up for very long) but there was no major exodus.

              In other news, somebody tweeted that Adam was letting all sorts of people, including some 60-year-old(s), massage his dick during one or more songs, so… Yeah, I don’t think I’ll be needing to go to any Adam Lampert concerts. My inner Puritan rears its puritannical head every once in awhile. And, see, after discussing Adam’s dick, I can’t even say the word “head” without shuddering.

              Oh, and I am wanting the moose hat the US team in wearing in the Olympic opening ceremonies sooooo bad.

              • deez permalink
                February 13, 2010 12:21 am

                Apparently, a lot of people really did carry out the planned mass exodus, fans are calling security on each other, and someone got punched in the face!!! Wow. Glamberts are tweeting how boring and bald etc… he is during his set. They are throwing adam shirts and crap at him while he’s singing, and apparently somebody yelled “Go back to Arkansas!” I seriously cannot stand these fuckers. Adam is supposedly in the audience and was dancing along to Alright with Me….I wish he’d tweet and tell them what a bunch of assholes they are.

                Kris joked that he would need to make some girls faint as well, and they got pissed LOL!!!! OH NOES!!!!! Jesus they’ve got no sense of humor whatsoever!!!

                • deez permalink
                  February 13, 2010 12:25 am

                  Haha….all the beeyotches who left are missing the Kradison finale!

                  I cannot wait to hear Blacklisted and TI’s recaps!!!!
                  (Ooooh maybe BL got the face punch on her ipod)

                • February 13, 2010 12:54 am

                  “Kris joked that he would need to make some girls faint as well and they got pissed..”

                  Lol. I read that in twitter. I mean, seriously, don’t they know the phrase “sense of humor”?. LMAO.

                • Nich permalink
                  February 13, 2010 1:12 am

                  What? People getting punched. Adam getting a “happy ending” from the audience. Cranky old women. Damn I wish I had been there.

            • Muzikizmi permalink
              February 13, 2010 8:13 am

              Glambert fans wonder why Adam didn’t open for Lady Gaga. It is because of their reputation for walking out after Adam’s set. Lady Gaga does not have to look out at empty seats, left by a sparkle cow stampede for the doors. No major star would agree to that.

              Adam will most likely have to do a tour of smaller venues, and make less money, and get less exposure, simply because his fans are too rude to stay for the entire show.

              • Mithra permalink
                February 13, 2010 7:09 pm

                Excellent point, Muzikizmi. I bet that IS the reason why they took so long and are trying to think marketing Adam live shows out. Get him low profile gigs that the old sparkle cows will flock to. You can’t get more old people friendly than a casino near Palm Springs 😉 – then cast young people for show on VH1. Jordin Sparks is the last Idol contestant who they have shelled out the sort of money and pimped as much as they are Adam (and both were Randy Jackson plants too…hmmm….) Jordin did not have the frau fans, let alone the frau fantards to end all fantards, the Glamtard Sparkle Cows – so she was immediately placed in opening slots for the likes of Alicia Keys, The Jonas Brothers, etc.

                RCA and 19 must be working overtime trying to avert this career crisis and save their investment… but it ain’t gonna work 😀

              • Mithra permalink
                February 13, 2010 7:57 pm

                So I guess they have already taped the VH1 gig, for 40 people who had to send in a head shot. Now there is a “secret” show for 240 on Monday, also needing headshots 😉 Next, they will have a gig for 10 hired Brazillian bikini models and 10 Bel Ami boys 😛

  20. deez permalink
    February 12, 2010 9:08 pm

    Something to think about:

    Blacklisted is stalking Cale RIGHT NOW!!!

  21. erinnthered permalink
    February 12, 2010 7:53 pm

    jukejoint asked me to pull this from an old thread since the issue is coming up again. It’s long, but worth reading to understand the basics of who does what in the Idol’s career. I wrote it because a pet peeve of mine is when I see people say 19E is doing something they have nothing to do with, or saying 19M is doing enough music bookings for Adam, or Jive needs to get Kris out there more.

    Understand, this is specific to the Idols, and other major label artists. Mid-label, and smaller bands may have a manager who books some or all of their gigs.

    19E is the company that produces the television show American Idol. They have nothing to do with the Idols post show. In fact, I’m pretty sure that legally they can’t have anything to do with them. 19E could give two shits how any Idol does post season as long as the viewers come back next year. They care about advertising revenue for their “Deathstar.” Cowell is very much 19E. He doesn’t care who does well post show. He does, however, love to be right.

    19M is the music management wing of 19I, the umbrella company that owns all, that manages many of the Idols who get major label deals after the show ends. They have nothing to do with the show, and only show up once BMG decides they want to sign someone. 19M books talent gigs (like the red carpet thing), and helps shape the image and pr face of the Idol. They do not book music gigs…usually. Idols don’t have to sign with 19M, but somehow the ones who didn’t didn’t get the attention they thought they would. It seems to be a blessing and curse to go with them as a management company.

    BMG is the record label with a deal with 19 who agrees to sign the winner, and then gets first shot at any other contestants in whom they might be interested. They can deal with anyone they want. They can ask Simons Cowell and Fuller who they think will sell, and sign accordingly, or tell them to fuck off and sign someone else. The only one who is guaranteed a deal is the winner, and BMG has many imprints they can sign them to depending on how they want to market them.

    Once the Idol is signed to a BMG imprint label (This year it’s Jive (Kris and Allison) and RCA (Adam)), then the label goes about helping the Idol make a record, and then market that record. They handle the music gigs, and music related pr (Talk show appearances where they perform, AMAs, SNL, etc). They coordinate with 19M so that they get the best for their money, and both market the artist to his or her strengths.

    The record label puts out money ahead of time hoping to make money as the album and merchandise sells. They book a tour, make t shirts, and handle promotions for the album that they shelled money out for.

    The management company works for the Idol. They work on commission. They book someone to be a tv correspondent for ET, and they get a commission of that. They get the artist magazine interviews, and sponsorship deals. If they help the record label make a talk show booking they get a commission from that. From the label, not the talk show….well, the talk shows give kick backs, but that’s another story.

    None of any of this has to do with 19E. The show ceases to be involved beyond the handshake deal they have with their parent company (19I) to allow the Idol to come perform their new hit song on the show.

    Both of them will tour. Artists make more money touring than anything else. As in, the artist. The label gets a bigger cut of album sales, while the artist gets the bigger cut of the tour. Still, this is the real way the label makes back their money. Do not worry about whether or not your guy will tour. The only question is when and how.

  22. jukejoint permalink
    February 12, 2010 7:17 pm

    This is totally off-topic, but I just saw a flash of Robert Redford on some commercial for something (Extra?) and he isn’t pretty anymore. *Is sad.*

    If you’ve ever seen The Way We Were, you know that RR was like, incredibly beautiful in 1973. I’m not personally into blonds, but there was this shot where they panned down a bar and he was sitting there in this white uniform, looking… Gah. Perfect.

    And now he looks like somebody’s granddad who spent too much time in the sun and smoked too much or something. Just a lesson to the peeps in H’Wood — physical beauty is fleeting, no matter who you are. Better have some talent and some heart to fall back on. (Both of which Robert Redford can say. Not like, oh, Joan Collins or somebody who used to be gorgeous and now is all, meh, no matter how much pancake makeup she trowels on or eye lifts she gets.)

    • deez permalink
      February 12, 2010 7:46 pm

      I was in love with Robert Redford as a kid. He was truly gorgeous.I just have to remember the way he used to look, I’m gonna assume sun damage. Other stars seemed to have been immune though, Paul Newman and Cary Grant both spent a lot of time outdoors and they didn’t seem to have been affected to that extent.

      Oh, and RR played college baseball, which definitely earns him points with me.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      February 13, 2010 12:44 am

      One of my top five favorite movies. He was beautiful. He never had good skin, but it never detracted from his appeal. No one even mentioned it. 🙂

  23. margie permalink
    February 12, 2010 4:26 pm

    Y’all this is a compliment from the original singer Glenn of Falling Slowly sang the Falling Slowly/U2 mash up. Saw Kris’ verision on youtube (can’t remember his name..lol) but y’all!!

    • auntieaimee permalink
      February 12, 2010 4:40 pm

      I saw that over on MJ’s and almost died. Color me impressed. 🙂

      • deez permalink
        February 12, 2010 4:50 pm

        Wow…now THAT was cool. Glen Hansard remembers Kris as “Who” as well apparently! LOL!!

        • Paulie permalink
          February 12, 2010 5:58 pm

          BWAH! LOL!!11!!!

        • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
          February 12, 2010 7:52 pm

          Does that make Glen Hansard a worster? LOL!

      • Burgundy LaRue permalink
        February 12, 2010 6:05 pm

        How cool is that? That’s a cool notch for Kris to have by his name. What a compliment!

    • erinnthered permalink
      February 12, 2010 4:48 pm

      That just made my month! I love Swell Season. See them live if you get the chance. Glen is amazing. Very spiritual and passionate.

      • Trish permalink
        February 12, 2010 5:53 pm

        Yeah, I’ll second that. I’ve seen Swell Season live too and Glen is out of this world. Spiritual, passionate, AMAZING.

        He does a great cover of Justin Timberlake’s “Cry Me A River” and the Pixies’ “Gigantic.” Both available on iTunes. Check ’em out!

      • jukejoint permalink
        February 12, 2010 6:18 pm

        I loved the movie “Once” and this song gets me every single time. Love!

        I just realized that Glenn Hansard (songwriter and singer of “Falling Slowly”) is Irish, and so are U2. Maybe Kris can sing the mash-up for St. Patrick’s Day.

        • margie permalink
          February 12, 2010 6:25 pm

          The Script are Irish too right?

          • deez permalink
            February 12, 2010 6:54 pm

            Errr, can somebody tell me WTF is meant by this comment (copied from MJ’s):

            I find some irony in the fact that the Falling Slowly chose the word ‘clever’ to describe Kris’s mashup. Why? Because Kris recently said in an interview that he wouldn’t mind following John Mayer’s career path (musically, I’m sure) and this is all John Mayer kept saying he was trying to be, over and over in his apology at his concert.

            • Nich permalink
              February 12, 2010 7:06 pm

              I believe this person is trying to say that Kris is going to follow in Mayer’s footsteps. Not just his musical ones but his asshatery ones. Since Mayer just came out with a horrible racist and slightly homophobic Playboy interview where he showed his ass to the world at large I think she’s saying that Kris must secretly be a dick too since he’s admired Mayer’s musical career in the past.

              Or something.

              • deez permalink
                February 12, 2010 7:12 pm

                LOl…I wondered if that’s what they were trying to insinuate. There is no logic whatsoever used to draw that comparison. I suppose the word “clever” was copyrighted by John Mayer? So whenever from now on someone calls something clever it must be in reference to him. Does. Not. Compute.

                How on earth is THAT the first thing that pops in your head when you hear Glen Hansard credit Kris???

            • jukejoint permalink
              February 12, 2010 7:08 pm

              I think it’s intended to be a slam, because if John Mayer says he wants to be clever and he’s an ass, then anybody who was ever clever is also an ass?? Sometimes people really have to stretch, you know?

              • deez permalink
                February 12, 2010 7:16 pm

                Oh, also some people are saying that UCA shouldn’t have had Kris do a promo for the school since he dropped out. It sends the message that it’s OK to drop out. (LOL, yeah if YOU’RE THE AMERICAN IDOL AND IT’S ALL YOU EVER WANTED) JFC, the person who brought it up was just being snarky, but then concern trolls appeared 🙂 .

                • jukejoint permalink
                  February 12, 2010 7:20 pm

                  I live near the university that John Malkovich dropped out of, and they use his name shamelessly to promote their theater department. I mean, what? Are they crazy? John Malkovich spent a couple of years there and they’re going to ignore it even if he didn’t graduate?

                  It’s all just nonsense. There’s a reason there’s a cliche called “grasping at straws.”

              • on the edge permalink
                February 13, 2010 7:35 pm

                It does make me think of a new marketing tactic for Kris, however. Remember that some concern trolls said he wouldnt sell well because “the world had enough Jason Mrazs and John Mayers?” Well let’s face it, after that Playboy interview John will be hiding out wherever Kanye is…and the fact he used the N-word, well he may as well hang up his career. Seems to me Kris is the “anti-John Mayer”; similar musical vibe, but without the misogynism and overall douchebaggery. He could fill that place, musically-speaking.

                And on a related note, let’s hope Kris does NOT tour with Mayer anytime soon (i.e., EVER).

                • TopIdol permalink
                  February 13, 2010 7:44 pm

                  I love that John Mayer potentially killed his career this week. It fills me with mirth.

                • Muzikizmi permalink
                  February 13, 2010 7:57 pm

                  Yeah, it’s funny how fast I went from hoping that Kris could open for John Mayer, to hoping he is never mentioned in the same sentence with him again.

                  • jukejoint permalink
                    February 13, 2010 8:09 pm

                    Ditto.

                    But now I am left not at all sure who I want Kris to open for. The Killers would be nice, and Kris could come out and sing “All These Things That I’ve Done” with Brandon Flowers. But Flowers can be kind of a dick, too.

                    JT is a Jive artist and the most like the Alicis Keys/Jordin Sparks match-up.

                    I just don’t know. Guess I’ll have to wait and see, and keep hoping he does some college-town smaller solo gigs, cause I live in the middle of a bajillion colleges.

                    • Lauren permalink
                      February 13, 2010 9:36 pm

                      Killers! I like that idea!

            • auntieaimee permalink
              February 12, 2010 7:37 pm

              I think that poster is a fan of Kris, so I don’t think it was meant as a slam. I don’t understand what she was getting at, though.

              • deez permalink
                February 12, 2010 7:49 pm

                I thought she was as well, which was one reason I was so confused.

                • gulfluv permalink
                  February 13, 2010 4:47 pm

                  If my comments about the UCA ad are what you are talking about, I just wanted to say I wasn’t trying to insinuate anything. It just struck me as funny at first glance and I typed before thinking. I think he is a great representative for his school, and if I were a, um, few years younger and looking for a school, I would look into UCA after know that guys like Kris and Cale can be found there! I just think he is very glad he doesn’t have to go back and attend class anymore. I love Kris, and spend too many hours watching his vids and scouring for info on him so, well, I might be a Kristard 🙂

                  If you were talking about someone else, then, oops, nevermind 🙂

    • February 12, 2010 7:16 pm

      Wait….so maybe Glen Hansard is that super-secret elusive OMG KRISTARD!!!1 that everyone’s been searching for? [Not remembering his name doesn’t matter, we all know Kris fans don’t put that much effort into things.]

  24. Mimi permalink
    February 12, 2010 3:44 pm

    Tweet from a Kris fan already in line for the Kris/Adam/Allison concert tonight…

    Mer89 Yeah…the crowd gathering is a tad older than i expected. I’m not sure about this group behind us… Fur wearing chain smokers
    12 minutes ago from txt

    • deez permalink
      February 12, 2010 4:55 pm

      LOl.!!!!!! moo.

    • on the edge permalink
      February 12, 2010 6:25 pm

      Anybody there got some red paint and a pitcher of water? (one for the fur, one for the smokers)

      • Lauren permalink
        February 13, 2010 1:55 pm

        Lol, if I was there, that would have been me.

    • rehabilitard permalink
      February 12, 2010 6:45 pm

      Can’t wait to see twitpix!

  25. erinnthered permalink
    February 12, 2010 10:58 am

    Seeker, that’s a great photo. Regardless of the subject, too. I’d love to see other shots from that photographer.

    Also, to clarify, lest an Adam fan adjust their tinhat, and assume my statement about stock levels favors Kris…the reports in this thread said they mostly saw one or two CDs in stock. More than likely, Kris is getting less than optimal stocking. Happy?

    One more clarification, I would hope that all the wonderful Adam fans who hang out here understand my issue is not with all Adam fans. Just the ones who take shit way too personally. I love (most of) y’all. 😉

    • Naiya permalink
      February 12, 2010 11:58 am

      Erinnthered, do you think this is why Jive artists in general just don’t sell as well as RCA artists? Jive won’t pay for in-store marketing, etc?

      • saskin permalink
        February 12, 2010 1:11 pm

        I don’t think there is a conspiracy there either.

        Not all artists sell CDs at Walmart. Actually, most artists do not sell CDs at Walmart. They sell where they sell. I speculate that it is a label’s job is to know where they can sell the music. I’m pretty sure (pure conjecture) that they must know their job. So if RCA sells at Walmart and Jive sells at (let’s say) Walgreens I guess they must know what they’re doing because a company’s most important goal by definition is to not lose money.

        Comparing stuff like there is only one universal marketing model for all music is an Idol thing.

        • Naiya permalink
          February 12, 2010 1:23 pm

          I wasn’t thinking conspiracy. I just thought they might have a different business model is all.

      • erinnthered permalink
        February 12, 2010 4:08 pm

        In a word. No. No relation at all.

        RCA is a different company that markets different artists for different reasons. Period.

        Plus, the bottom line is the bottom line. RCA spends more, but do they always make more? Just sayin’

    • Seeker permalink
      February 12, 2010 12:53 pm

      http://blog.flymenigel.com/music/kris-allen-live-in-kl-showcase/

      Found the Epic Crowd Surfing pic on this blog. There are more awesome pics! Sweaty Kris, Krale etc etc… Plus I love how Heartless turned into Fearless in the songlist.

      • erinnthered permalink
        February 12, 2010 4:26 pm

        Thanks! I’m going to post the photo on my FB page, and see if it gets a response.

    • deez permalink
      February 12, 2010 1:03 pm

      I just returned from WalMart. As of today, in stock at this particular store, there was 1 Kris, 2 Adam, and 3 Allison. Adam’s was on an end cap display at the very bottom, but it didn’t take long to locate since that’s what I was looking for. For someone browsing, they may not have seen it. That particular display had Nick Jonas& SuBo (at least 20copies each) and about 400 copies of the new Lady Antebellum, lol (plus others which were usually 4-5 copies each). I had to go over to the regular aisle to find Kris, which only took a few secs. Although there was just one, it was at eye level in front. (which was probably a coincidence) I had to search for Allison. The alphabetizing was strange in the Pop/Rock section, it took me forever to figure out where it was. (about ankle high, behind something else)

      So since Xmas, Kris has been moved from the end cap to the aisle, but Adam is still there. I’m not sure what any of this means. All three were the same price, $13.88.

      • on the edge permalink
        February 12, 2010 2:37 pm

        Walmart very much serves and appeals to a country-listening audience, so the heavy stock of Lady Antebellum doesn’t surprise me at all. I’m betting Carrie’s album also had similar placement.

        Crap…just realized that means GOKEY will too. Looks like I’ll be avoiding the electronics section of Walmart for awhile, unless they want a “clean-up on Aisle 4!”

      • erinnthered permalink
        February 12, 2010 4:28 pm

        It means nothing other than RCA is pushing Adam…and that Kris and Adam have sold a CD or two. Allison probably isn’t moving much. *sigh*

        • saskin permalink
          February 12, 2010 5:02 pm

          I don’t want to be argumentative but I’m not even sure that it would be correct to conclude that RCA is pushing Lambert given the data at hand. (Just like erin; I’m just saying, I don’t hate Lambert, I won’t call him names etc he might be the best whatever ever but I simply don’t care 🙂 ) RCA is a big company, they have many artists on their portfolio, maybe they have group deals with stores. Like, they give more points to the stores in exchange for better promotion for their artists as a group. So it will take them longer to recoup. Or they might have specific deals like if you promote my SmallArtist A, I’ll give you more points from the sales of BigArtistB. If the SmallArtistA messes up big time, the company will lose from BigArtistB’s profits. etc.

          So all we know:
          1- Sony matched Lambert with RCA and Allen with Jive.
          2-RCA (from incidental reports here and there) might be doing more in-store promotion than Jive.
          That’s it. It is like we know one and a half things. It does not even define a line.

          BTW, since I’m ranting, nominal sale numbers does not say anything about anything. Especially nominal unit sales. Goodness.

          • erinnthered permalink
            February 12, 2010 5:28 pm

            This could be very true. Adam could be one of many artists benefiting from a group strategy. Either way. they include Adam in that group, so they still expect a return on the investment. Plus, with the VH1 show, and the UK promo tour it sounds like RCA is not giving up on him.

            Jive has a mixed relationship with in-store promotions. They push the teen stuff more than the rest. BMG was always been big on in-stores overall, and I’m sure they push all the imprints, but a lot has changed since I left music retail. Sony has reorganized multiple times. Digital has had an effect in the last couple of years.

            It’s difficult to look at each thing in a vacuum, and it’s all speculation anyway. Like you said, we only have part of the picture, and it really doesn’t give us the shape of the image. All my speculation is based on what these pieces have meant with other artists in the past. It doesn’t make sense that these basic points would really change all that much.

            • deez permalink
              February 12, 2010 6:11 pm

              In the big picture, how much do album sales alone affect the label’s attitude toward a certain artist? A lot has been made of low sales, but I imagine that’s only a small piece of the pie. If singles are selling and money is being made from touring, wouldn’t Jive still be turning a profit? Someone mentioned that concert ticket sales is where the $$ is to be made, so even though album sales might be lackluster, they wouldn’t give him the boot. (?) The Troll mentioned b/c HBD’s sales were lesser than expected for an idol, that we should be “worried.”
              I don’t know why that should be worrisome. Taylor Hicks (everyone’s favorite “failure”) reportedly made over $300,000 last year. I realize that’s chump change to a more popular artist…but he’s hardly worried about paying the rent either. The dude is doing what he wants to do, and is pretty comfortable.

              In interviews, Kris is always quick to stress how he does have artistic control, and that everyone at Jive is great. (of course it would be stupid to say otherwise) I just don’t get the sense of impending doom and gloom that some have. Being kicked to the curb is always possible, but I sure don’t see it happening soon.

              • saskin permalink
                February 12, 2010 7:44 pm

                In the big picture, how much do album sales alone affect the label’s attitude toward a certain artist? A lot has been made of low sales, but I imagine that’s only a small piece of the pie.

                This is an excellent question. I would like to know this too. I mean not all artists (non-AI artists I mean) sell multiple platinum albums, yet the labels do not drop them but they seem to be very quick to drop AI kids. Not that I know anything, but it seems to me like they are quick to drop them. Aren’t they?

                Maybe it is because AI kids live their careers in reverse; they start with maximum exposure and it is all downhill from there. There is no room to grow unless they connect to their audience on an other level. I don’t know.

    • jukejoint permalink
      February 12, 2010 3:13 pm

      erinnthered, can you repeat your info about who does what, who arranges gigs and tours and who arranges public appearances and all that good stuff which jujubee down-thread clearly doesn’t understand?

      I come from the book biz, and I can absolutely tell you that with books, the publishers pay for endcaps and special dumps and displays and even shelf-space in some stories. It’s all about how much promo they want to pay for. When it comes to WalMart and other stores, there are “rack jobbers” and subdistributors and other middlemen between the publishers and the store. The jobbers are the ones who decide what goes where on the rack. Their jobs is to get product — everybody’s product — onto the shelves, and they may do books and magazines as well as cds. Sometimes their estimates are based on how that artist performed before or the cover art and whether it appeals to them or whether the person in position to choose how many copies of X product they’re ordering likes the artist or author or label, or how much money they make off that label in general. With publishers, they may have a standing order for 6 copies of everybody coming under that imprint each month, or the publisher can specify that they sell everybody in packages of 4 or 8 or something, and they will only ship the same number of everybody’s book. But stores within a corporation (like WalMart) may not order the same number for each store if they know that some areas sell more a lot more country music, for example, and some are bigger on pop. That’s what marketing is for, to know how much product should go where. But the other side of the coin is the distributor trying to increase the orders. They’re more likely to do that for the people who pay them better or whatever. (In general, I think the label gets 50% of the cd price, while the distributor takes another couple of bucks per cd.)

      Remember that in the music biz (and also in the book biz) the original company doesn’t get paid till the product sells. Not when it’s ordered, but when it sells. The stores have the cds or books like it’s on consignment. If it doesn’t sell, they can send it back and not pay. That’s one reason both industries are in the toilet, if you ask me. If Macy’s has a whole bunch of sweaters in the store and they don’t sell, they have to mark them down and move them out. With cds and books, they just send ’em back to the publisher or record label and wash their hands of them. It kind of sucks.

      Anyway, all of that was just to say that it may be that the subdistributor who works WalMart in one area liked Adam’s cover or saw the first week sales and decided they need to stock more, while the rep in some other area only cared about SuBo and didn’t stock very many of anybody else. And somewhere else, money came down from the label for extra promo for SuBo or Lady Gaga or Adam that didn’t get spent for Kris or Allison. It’s all quite fluid and mysterious. With books, how much of an advance they give you also determines what the promo budget is, because the advance was enough of an investment in you that they need to pay off, so they do more promo. I suspect it’s somewhat they same for music, except there’s another blade on the music sword, because they make the artists pay back what’s been spent on promotion. Not pay back with actual dollars, but they deduct that from any profits they may make. That is all determined in the contract they sign initially with the label, and we don’t know what they signed. But we do know that Jive, the label Kris and Allison signed with, is perceived as a more frugal place in general, and they don’t tend to pay out a lot in promotion, while RCA, where Adam signed, is known to be a bit more free with the wallet. That’s, again, a double-edged sword. Because Jive pays out less, they don’t expect their artists to make back as much as quickly, and they have historically been less likely to dump artists who didn’t turn a huge profit out of the gate, whereas RCA has historically been more likely to cut their lists fairly quickly if they’re not earning back what they think they should, given what they’ve paid out.

      And that, too, is like the book biz, where somebody with a multi-million dollar advance and all the accompanying promotion who sells a hundred thousand books may never get another contract as long as they live, while someone with a $10,000 advance and very little promo who sells a hundred thousand books may be breaking out the champagne and moving up the ladder.

      None of which we know about Kris, Allison or Adam, except that it seems at this point that somebody has spent some bucks to get Adam the amount of promotion he’s received and multiple videos, etc. It also cost some money to send Kris to Malaysia and the Philippines, however. And his video didn’t look cheap, either. But Jive and RCA seem to be spending their bucks very different ways, which is not surprising, since they did the same thing with Jordin, Cook and Archie.

      • erinnthered permalink
        February 12, 2010 4:45 pm

        Great post, jukejoint. I’ll go find that post and C&P some of it.

        About pulls, at least the book industry has remainders to recoup some cost. Who knows what happens to most of the CDs that get shipped back. Although, we did occasionally get product that had clearly been on the shelf at another retailer with a reduced price, it isn’t the same as a giant bargain area at the front of the store.

        The music industry does that “we’ll give you x discount/ promotion stuff for popular artist A, if you take y copies of new artists b, c, and d” too. Excellent point too. It can cut costs on promoting a new artist.

        And yeah, the thing many people don’t seem to get is that Adam is paying for all of this stuff too. Remember the TLC story about how much each girl made for CrazySexyCool?

        I do they ended up at the right labels for their brands, but RCA is definitely the bigger risk. Although, Adam probably likes it that way, so all is well.

  26. erinnthered permalink
    February 12, 2010 10:45 am

    I’m on my phone, so no direct reply, so bare with me…

    One of things that bothers me about a lot of Adam’s fans is this assumption that anything not said in the most positive possible light must be a “bash” or be turning things into “a negative.” Honestly? Get over yourselves. Somehow Kris’ fans were able to lament the low stock of his CD without assuming the world is out to get him, and discuss this with Adam fans without assuming they were puting Kris down. Maybe it’s time you do the same. [/rant]

    Having said that, I find it interesting, jillian, that you immediately assumed I was talking about Adam’s style of music – and assumed that somehow I must mean that Kris was better suited to the show. Wrong on both counts. You seemed to finally get it. Those shows are almost always for established artists with radio hits (plural) under their belt. (Since I have to specify with you(plural), I’m not saying WWFM will not be a radio hit. I’m saying it isn’t considered one at this time. I’m also saying more than one hit or a second album would also help.) Kris would be just as odd a choice.

    My point, since you missed it, and TI seemed to say it in the post, is that the label seems to be actively trying to get rid of all but the younger fans in the public eye. Keep the older fans at the casinos, and do controled shows for pr.

    To the point that RCA has put a buttload of cash into Adam…yes they have, and labels do do that… sometimes. Adam has been very lucky.

    (Again, since I have to specify *twitch*, this is not a bash. I’m pointing out how lucky Adam is. It’s a positive. Get it?)

    Some of you may not realize that in all likelyhood Adam isn’t getting paid for any of the three shows this week. The label is shelling out cash to get him and the band there, but if they get any pay at all, it would be the VH1 show. If then, it would probably be AFTRA minimum. VH1 is notoriously stingy. I have a friend who’s done stuff for them, and they find all kinds of ways not to pay. Even the big stars. Way bigger than Adam.

    Adam will get paid for the casino shows, but – and again, my purpose is balance not bashing – more than likely Kris will make more from the mini tour and the Atlantis gig. If the Davids did as well as reported, I’m sure Kris must have done well as well (although not as high a payday, IIRC it was the same promoter), and tickets were expensive and sold well for all the shows. I’ve heard about how well Atlantis used to treat their acts, so unless things have changed in the last few years, Jive will pull in a nice fee there. Oh, and the radio shows in the UK won’t get Adam paid either. Look for gigs that cost $ to attend. He’ll get a fee there.

    All I’m saying is that they seem to have different tactics.

    Unlike Holly Sockpuppets, I have had multiple jobs in my time, and one of them was working for Borders. I worked in a fairly large music dept, and eventually became an inventory supervisor. That also entailed helping with in-store marketing.

    I’m wading into this because it relates to the RCA buttload of $.

    Some people said as much, but let me confirm. All those front displays, end caps, and posters and such are paid for by the labels, not the store. Stores on a local level have had little say in that stuff for over a decade. What say they do have will never go into an Idol contestant. Trust me. (That would include Kris and Allsion, btw)

    RCA is paying to have those big displays, and they had a paid person pitch the stores to carry all that merch (the CDs). At this point in any CDs release, only the top sellers and those artists the labels are pushing hard have lots of stock. So congrats! RCA really believes in him.

    As someone else stated, any CDs that get shipped back in a “pull” will be removed from Adam’s magic total, so the high stock is a blessing and a curse. Medium is best. Five copies, properly stocked.

    To make a point about Chris Brown…he could have a valid argument. If the label didn’t push for a high initial buy, then he would get screwed, and it would screw his numbers down the line. All this stuff is automated now, so if the store had 3 copies, and sold them fast, they’d get 5-7 more. Since Chris Brown fans aren’t likely to order from the store, the computer wouldn’t understand that people walked away and sales were lost. Am I making sense?

    • deez permalink
      February 12, 2010 10:59 am

      I’m wondering about the Wal-Mart display I saw for Kris….do different stores (in the same chain) have leeway on how they display a certain artist? I bought Kris’ CD during Xmas shopping, at the time it (and Adam’s) was on the end cap…I doubt it is anymore, however. At other Wal Marts, this doesn’t seem to have been this case. Of course fan-rearrangement may have been the culprit, lol. I’ve actually got to pick up a few items, I think I’ll stop by WalMart during lunch and check out the CD displays.

      • TopIdol permalink
        February 12, 2010 1:03 pm

        Fascinating! And Wal-Mart is an Arkansas company!

        • deez permalink
          February 12, 2010 1:12 pm

          REALLY! What happened to helping out your own, lol!! Of course, I’m not sure if TPTB at WM are actually even from Arkansas, or music fans for that matter. (I know they’re $$$$$ fans)

      • erinnthered permalink
        February 12, 2010 4:47 pm

        jukejoint answered that one. Very interesting too. I can only speak for music and book/music retailers. The big chain stores are another entity altogether.

    • jillian permalink
      February 13, 2010 4:47 am

      erinnthered, I agree that rational discussion is always desirable. 🙂 But respectfully (without hysteria or wailing and gnashing of teeth), I do think that there’s a tendency among a lot of people here to spin things that might be positive for Adam into negatives, probably as a reaction to the glamberts’ tendency to do the same to Kris.

      For Adam, the VH1 concert isn’t just good promotion which many artists do or try to do–it’s RCA trying to hide certain fans (even though Adam and Kris both seem to have many young fans, perhaps more than a lot of people who come off AI) or do damage control.

      And that reminded me of the glamberts trying to spin a positive for Kris–the Asia tour–into a negative. They were saying that it wasn’t that Kris was popular in Asia and would do really well on a tour there and why not tap into such a big market–they were saying it was because he couldn’t do that well in the US.

      Plenty of artists with very young fan bases, like Katy Perry and John Mayer, have done this sort of acoustic show. It’s just good promotion, not a desperate PR move, and RCA knows that Adam appeals to people in their late teens and twenties and has a lot of fans in that category, so they want even more exposure to that audience. A lot of successful artists tour in Asia–it’s a big market. Kris is going there because it’s another market to tap into, not because he can’t do well here (he is doing very well with LLWD).

      You can put negative spins on either thing, but personally I don’t think it’s truthful. And I personally don’t like it when either Adam fans or Kris fans do it. It’s just…why? Both guys can have good things happen to them without someone having to say, “Well, that’s good, but here’s the underlying reason why it’s actually not so good.”

      But none of this is particularly serious. It’s just a bunch of comments on the internet, nothing that matters in the real world to either Kris or Adam. 🙂

  27. blacklisted permalink
    February 12, 2010 10:33 am

    Did we see this? Kris doing bungee swing in Singapore. Crazy.

    • on the edge permalink
      February 12, 2010 12:29 pm

      I saw that at MJ’s and remembered Samantha Brown did something exactly like that on the Travel Channel…Myrtle Beach, maybe? That would scare the crap out of me, yeesh! Kris is way braver than I!

      • TopIdol permalink
        February 12, 2010 1:04 pm

        Samantha Brown sucks ass. I would love to see Rick Steves kick her ass in a European cagefight.

        • Pandora permalink
          February 12, 2010 5:00 pm

          Samantha Brown should call her show “Traveling with Unlimited Funds.” I always laugh when she sits down at a restaurant, it’s not like she ever eats for chrissake!

        • February 12, 2010 5:16 pm

          Last month my friend met Rick Steves randomly at a coffee shop. I was beyond jealous.

          • erinnthered permalink
            February 12, 2010 5:31 pm

            Well, what was he like? Where was your friend, btw? How cool would it be to run into Rick Steves while he’s working.

      • auntieaimee permalink
        February 12, 2010 1:17 pm

        I always thought Samantha Brown had the coolest job ever.

        • TopIdol permalink
          February 12, 2010 1:24 pm

          Travel journalism is awesome and might be the coolest job ever. But Samantha Brown bugs! She’s no Rick Steves. Who is awesome. And my friend Stefanie should have the following Ms. Brown has, because she is awesome and way cooler.

          http://adventuregirl.com/

    • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
      February 12, 2010 12:35 pm

      This was practically a stone’s throw away from the show venue at Clarke Quay. He must’ve gone there after the show.

    • deez permalink
      February 12, 2010 12:45 pm

      He actually looked like he probably wanted to break some kind of speed record getting away from that thing when it was over. Lol. I can’t say I blame him, the last time I rode something like that, I had to go lie down.

  28. jujubee permalink
    February 12, 2010 9:34 am

    wait, so now we are bashing Adam’s vh1 concert? lol. goog for Adam for getting the gig. People on this board keep criticizing him for being in the public eye (how dare he!) and not singing enough (in their opinion)..so now the guy is doing 3 concerts in nyc over the next 4 days and has lined up 2 more one-off solo gigs in between his european promotion, and somehow, that gets bashed too? good for Kris that he has had a very successful south east asian mini tour. they love the idols there, and no surprise that he would be well-received. seems like he had a great time. for all of the complaints about how RCA is putting a big effort behind adam, you all do know that THAT IS WHAT RECORD COMPANIES DO! If you think that Jive has not put similar efforts into Kris you are wrong. How do you think the asian tour was set up? who got him booked on all the tv shows/aol sessions/nfl anthem gigs etc. yes adam is higher profile bc the media is into him. But jive is putting plenty of effort into kris, who will also most likely be doing a european promo tour just like adam. there is nothing more or less “organic” and “real” about kris’ success than Adam’s. Both became famous on a tv show; both are being heavily promoted by their record companies. you like kris, so his success seems organic. you dislike adam (or at least his fans) so it seems force fed.

    • saskin permalink
      February 12, 2010 10:09 am

      there is nothing more or less “organic” and “real” about kris’ success than Adam’s

      Absolutely. But there is nothing to brag about their sales either. If you put money in, you get money back. If you put more money in you get more money back. Do you know how many talented artists are out there starving, just because the labels won’t put any money in? These kids only managed to get cast for a reality show and then they get to go on TV shows to promote their albums, do international tours, have multiple MVs, close the AMA’s? Then they still get even more money to cast audience for their concerts? Cast audience for a TV show. Really??? It is ridiculous. Period.

      • deez permalink
        February 12, 2010 10:47 am

        I think it’s a good thing for Adam to finally be doing some shows…It’s what they should’ve been doing long before now. Of course, there may have been some reason for putting it off. Fans don’t always know what’s going on behind the scenes.

        I don’t have a problem with the VH1 photo submission thing either, attractive people make better TV. It’s just that it’s ironic when viewed through the glittery filter of the Sparkleherd.

        • Burgundy LaRue permalink
          February 12, 2010 11:13 am

          I find interesting because so many of Adam’s online fans seem to be older, but this show appears to be designed to keep them away.

  29. Seeker permalink
    February 12, 2010 8:14 am

    I love this one!!! (from his malaysian performance)

    • blacklisted permalink
      February 12, 2010 10:35 am

      Picture says a thousand words. Love it.

  30. kimberly permalink
    February 11, 2010 10:58 pm

    On the subject of CDs, here’s something that’s been bothering me a bit. I went out to dinner with a friend and did a quick run to Walmart for a Nintendo DS game for my daughter. I stopped at the CDs and noticed a lot of Adam Lambert CDs out front with Susan Boyle and Carrie Underwood. I had to search to find one Kris Allen CD and a few Allison CDs. This is not the first time that I’ve noticed a lack of CDs for Kris Allen in several CT Walmart stores. On a run to Target the following week, I came across the same situation. One Kris Allen CD. Maybe Chris Brown had a legitimate gripe. ::shrugs::

    The inventory is NOT there ergo no sales.

    • Sherena permalink
      February 11, 2010 11:58 pm

      They would stock it if there was demand. If the limited stock they DID have sold quickly, they would replenish it; since they haven’t, it’s evident that the demand isn’t there.

      In other words, your cause-effect link needs to be reversed. They aren’t stocking inventory BECAUSE it isn’t a hot seller, not the other way around.

      • deez permalink
        February 12, 2010 1:00 am

        I’ve noticed sort of the same thing here. Wal Mart did have Kris and Adam both on the end cap…although I couldn’t find Allison. Target, however, didn’t have either Kris or Allison, and only had a couple of Adam that weren’t prominently displayed. I saw plenty of Taylor Swift and Bieber crap, so I guess that’s what the kids want. I guess it’s different in different places? I’m really surprised CD’s sell as many hard copies as they do. (in general)

        • Heather permalink
          February 12, 2010 4:52 am

          When I went Christmas shopping I saw no Kris Allen anywhere at Target. When I went to Borders I saw a ton of Adam and Susan Boyle (right next to each other, actually LOL) but no Kris. I think they’re not stocking him in my area. I don’t doubt that there’s no demand for him. He’s not referred to as Who without reason. And it’s too bad, too. His stuff could have mass appeal, I think. Especially with men, I think. Which is why I think Who’s album cover picture is most unfortunate.

    • Pandora permalink
      February 12, 2010 8:39 am

      When I was xmas shopping at Borders, Adam’s CD was in the display at the front of the store with all of the others that were on sale for $11.99, but Kris’ was in the back (in the music section) for $16.99. Which do you think would pick up more casual sales?

      • saskin permalink
        February 12, 2010 9:44 am

        I don’t think there is a conspiracy there. But the fans do re-arrange shelves. I saw it myself.

        I think it has to do with the distribution policy of their labels. I’m not sure, but I read somewhere that the stores do not take risk on their music stock but the label does. So the problem is not to get the CD to the store. It is to get the CD out of the store. Because as I understand, if it is not sold the label has to buy it back. Also the label pays for the end-cap, listening stations and display racks. So it is all promotional expense. If the Lambert CD is more visible, it probably means that they paid for that visibility. Which is kind of very sad.

        I’ve read people complaining about free downloads, etc, but that is the way to go. That is the only way an independent musician can get some free distribution. They won’t make money from the CD sales, but they’ll get their name out there and make money from the concerts. I love Kelly Clarkson for saying that suits should not control art. Artists should.

        BTW, I realize I sound like Q3 but I have my own reasons (which are absolutely not related to any AI alum) to inquire a bit about the music market.

        • auntieaimee permalink
          February 12, 2010 11:46 am

          That’s interesting, actually. I feel like I’ve learned something today. Heh.

      • Sherena permalink
        February 13, 2010 2:12 am

        Once again, you may be misunderstanding the cause-effect here. Kris album is being placed in the back because it was a weak seller; it is not that Kris’ album is a weak seller because it has been relegated to the back. The stores will always do what will give them the MAXIMUM PROFIT, as gained by maximum number of albums sold.

        I will explain the reasoning behind my assertion. For example, suppose an album by Beyonce is selling, say, 1000 copies every week in a certain store, while being placed in the back. If they place it in the front, on the other hand, many people will be reminded that Beyonce has a new album out, and the album will sell, say, 1500 copies that week, because of the prominent placing. This is an increase of 500 copies. On the other hand, suppose an album by the obscure group “Green Tea Monsters” (made up) is selling 50 copies a week. The store makes the decision to place it in the front, taking up a valuable space there. Because of the prominent placing, some people look at the album and go “hey, interesting cover” or “cool band name” or (but this will be few people, as it is an obscure group) “I’ve heard of them, this could make a good birthday present for my cousin.” As a result, “Green Tea Monsters” sells 100 albums that week, double their previous amount. Or perhaps even 200 copies, if their album cover is just that cool. However, it is VERY unlikely that they will sell 550 copies, which would be 11 times their original amount– and the number needed to equal the NET GAIN the store got from placing the Beyonce album in the front. Therefore, logically, if a store had a limited number of spaces left in the front, and had to choose between placing the Beyonce or the Green Tea Monsters album in the front, they would place the Beyonce there.

        Now, the difference between the popularity of Adam and Kris is smaller than the difference between Beyonce and some indie band. However, the same principle applies: the store, making a judgment on the CURRENT popularity of an artist, will then make an educated guess on the net profit they would get from putting the artists’ album in the front in comparison with the back. Therefore, they mostly choose to put albums from popular artists in the front, rather than less popular ones.

        So why is Kris being put into a position where he picks up less casual sales than Adam? It’s not because his album is commonly being placed in the back, whereas Adam’s is being commonly placed in the front. This may well be happening, but it is not the ORIGINAL cause; this phenomenon itself is caused by the fact that Adam was being judged more popular than Kris even before his album’s release. It’s not caused by the stores’ decisions, or any conspiracy thereof.

  31. erinnthered permalink
    February 11, 2010 10:17 pm

    This post has a lot of awesome in it.

    Off to read the comments…

    • erinnthered permalink
      February 11, 2010 10:19 pm

      Weird. I thought I changed back to original recipe Ruprecht. Checking…

  32. jillian permalink
    February 11, 2010 7:52 pm

    TI: Gotham Casting, the people doing the casting for that concert, require photos for every TV show they’re involved in. They want to make sure that attractive people are in front (or maybe it’s also a mixed demographic thing?). It’s not specific to Adam. I’m really looking forward to that concert, getting some high-quality acoustic versions of those songs will be great.

    The Kris videos are hilarious. 🙂 Seems like he’s having a great time.

    • erinnthered permalink
      February 11, 2010 10:25 pm

      Yes, this is true, but it’s funny because the label chose to get a show like this. He’s not a usual candidate for an acoustic VH1 show, but he’s getting one. Mainly because they want to present him in a certain atmosphere. Surrounded by young, “hip” fans. Something they couldn’t get if they had an open venue.

      It’s sad because it come off like they are doing the Indio show to appease the “real” fans, and the VH1 show to boost his image, and try to make “real” fans out of a younger demographic. The irony is that VH1 music shows tend to appeal to Gen Xers, not Gen Yers. So, even though it’s a lower average age from his fan base, it’s still not as young as they’d like it to be. (i.e. Kris’ primary fan base)

      • jillian permalink
        February 11, 2010 11:30 pm

        Adam seems like a good candidate for a VH1 show–it’s not about showing only acoustic artists, it’s about showing a variety of artists (some acoustic, some not) in an acoustic setting. For example, to take an extremely non-acoustic performer, Katy Perry did MTV’s Unplugged recently, singing acoustic versions of her songs. It’s an equally good venue for someone like Adam and someone like Kris. 🙂

        I don’t know–I don’t hang around here all that much, and it sometimes seems like you guys want to see everything that might be positive for Adam as a negative. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with disliking Adam’s music–obviously, we all have different tastes in music, and it would be pretty dictatorial to say that any one artist should appeal to everyone. 🙂

        But Adam doing a VH1 show? It’s good promotion. It’s a chance to get his music heard. Both Adam and Kris have a bunch of older fans and a bunch of younger fans (and there almost always seems to be a mix of ages at the shows they do), and of course they’re both going to want to take every opportunity to appeal to as many fans as possible. Their fan bases are mixed, like many artists–probably slightly older than most artists because of the AI thing but they are probably both expanding their younger fan bases with their singles and appearances.

        It’s a nice thing for Adam to do this concert. It’s a nice thing for Kris to do the Asia tour, which seems to be going great. Some Glamberts are saying that the only reason Kris is doing an Asia tour is because he can’t do well in the US. That’s silly–he’s doing an Asia tour because it’s good promotion, because Asia (as TI points out) is a pretty giant market and it’s beneficial to sell well there, and he seems popular there. But the glamberts want to turn a positive thing for Kris into a negative.

        Trying to turn this positive thing into a negative for Adam seems similar to me. The requests for photos aren’t specific to Adam–VH1 did that for John Mayer and Mariah Carey and a bunch of other artists. They want pretty people on TV. And all those artists, like John Mayer and Katy Perry, do these shows because they’re good promotion. Kelly Clarkson did the Indio thing–it’s not about “appeasing the real fans,” it’s just about performing and earning money. RCA is having Adam do a UK radio tour because it’s good promotion, it’s a good market, and they think he could do really well there.

        It just seems like there’s too much of a desire to make everything negative when it comes to Adam, which just strikes me as similar to how the glamberts act towards Kris.

        Sorry, tl;dr, I know. 🙂

        • Claire permalink
          February 11, 2010 11:53 pm

          I actually think Adam would be a better fit for the VH1 acoustic show than Kris since I thought the point of the show is to show non-acoustic artists in an acoustic setting. Kris’s music is already pretty acoustic, so it wouldn’t be that drastic of a change.

          That said, I’m surprised that Adam was asked because he’s still a fairly new artist. No, I’m not a bitter Kristard who’s jealous of Adam’s promo. I just thought that performers who have been on those types of shows before were more established artists. I’d say the same thing for several Idols if they were asked to be on that show.

          • jillian permalink
            February 11, 2010 11:59 pm

            Hey, I’m a big Adam fan, and if he’s doing VH1 Storytellers, I’ll be surprised too. 🙂 That show is definitely reserved, normally, for longtime performers. MTV Unplugged seems more likely to me–they are owned by the same company, I think? I guess if he does VH1 Storytellers, I’ll just take it as a nice vote of confidence from them or something? But yeah, I was definitely surprised by that too.

            And even though I’m not a big fan of Kris’s music I do think he’s a talented performer, so while it might not be as big a change for him to do an acoustic show, I’m sure that if/when he does one, it’ll be a really good way to introduce even more people to his music.

          • jillian permalink
            February 12, 2010 1:57 am

            To be clear, that meant that I would never think you were a bitter Kristard for being surprised about this. 🙂

        • Heather permalink
          February 12, 2010 3:56 am

          Hey Jillian, you’re awesome. Just saying. 🙂

          • jillian permalink
            February 13, 2010 4:25 am

            Aw, thanks. 🙂 I try.

      • jillian permalink
        February 11, 2010 11:34 pm

        But hey, I’m 21 and not hideous-looking–maybe I could have gone if I’d been in NYC. 🙂

        • Lauren permalink
          February 13, 2010 2:11 pm

          Jillian! Welcome! Stay a while and help me deal with all these jeluzz h8ers here! But in all seriousness, we need more Adam fans. 😀

      • saskin permalink
        February 12, 2010 9:20 am

        I think there is more to that story. Why would VH1 pay a casting company to distribute tickets to a concert? They wouldn’t, right? If he is in such high demand, VH1 would simply give the tickets to employees and enough young and hip people will show up. Unless someone else is paying to make sure that enough young and hip people show up.

        There is something fishy about it. I think the glamberts know that there is something fishy about it. Think about it, what would glamberts be saying if it was Allen who was casting audience for his show. They would be right too.

        I think this is an other promotional video shoot. They couldn’t pitch him as a musician to the public, they will make another attempt. They need everything to be perfect. Does that make sense?

        • erinnthered permalink
          February 12, 2010 5:00 pm

          Commercial revenue. They get plenty from the ads run during the show. They’ll also run it into the ground. Nothing fishy at all. Just business as usual.

  33. jukejoint permalink
    February 11, 2010 6:27 pm

    Christopher Toh did a nice job with that review. He’s a good writer and a good music critic. So many people who write about music expect everything to be in the narrow niche they appreciate, but I think a good critic goes in with open ears and take the concert experience as a whole.

    So, anyway, kudos to Mr. Toh.

  34. Gene permalink
    February 11, 2010 4:21 pm

    Adam has been getting media hype because he is not a typical idol and there is no one like him on the mainstream music scene today. Plus, it’s unusual to have anyone who is clearly aiming for mainstream success be so open about being gay at the beginning of their career,
    that’s why a general news publication like Time magazine chose Adam as one of “People Who Mattered” last year. In other words, Adam is not mainstream, this is exactly why he lost to Kris in AI in the first place. Kris is the winner and has a mainstream appeal. And he has been getting lots of radio play and promos, but his album continues to be the lowest selling of all the 8 winners.

    • Heather permalink
      February 11, 2010 4:55 pm

      I have to believe that a lot of people who watch Idol aren’t very familiar with music history, especially rock. Sure, Adam was different from the type of people who had appeared on the show in the past, but in the realm of the music world at large he is merely derivative. I’m not saying he’s untalented, but he is not ground-breaking, either musically or image-wise. And his album has done nothing to sway me from that opinion: again, his music is derivative, and it doesn’t seem to me he has a clear idea of who he is as an artist.

      What a lot of his fans seem to cling to is the fact that he’s openly gay (forgetting, I guess, all about Freddie Mercury), and that’s what is supposed to make him so “ground-breaking.” As admirable as that is, you can’t hang a music career solely on that. But again, I don’t think some of his fans have a clear idea of who (and what) has gone before him, because if they did, they certainly wouldn’t make these absurd claims about him being the Next Big Thing. Maybe if his second album proves to be mind-blowing (and he writes most of the songs himself) then we can start talking. As it is now though….not so much.

      • jillian permalink
        February 11, 2010 7:56 pm

        I don’t think he’s changing the face of music, but I do think he’s creative and interesting with music and performance, and I’m looking forward to seeing how he develops in the future. 🙂

        The AV Club review of the album said it really well, I think: “But Lambert’s ambition and undeniable vocal chops make it easy to forgive an occasionally over-reaching record that ultimately feels like a rough draft for an interesting career.”

        The album is really good, but it’s hopefully only the beginning of what he can do. 🙂

        • deez permalink
          February 11, 2010 8:05 pm

          I’m feeling calm rational vibes from jillian….I think we’ve found another sane one!!!

          • Megan permalink
            February 11, 2010 8:56 pm

            I am sane, I think. I’m not particularly into Kris musically, but he seems like an adorable, funny person. And actually, Alright With You is fantastic, I adore that song. I think Adam’s incredible, but not everyone needs to like him. 🙂 I do think that there can be a weird antipathy towards Adam here, but there’s a weird antipathy towards Kris in other places, so I guess that’s just the internet for you. 🙂

          • jillian permalink
            February 11, 2010 8:57 pm

            Oops, sorry. I meant that to be Jillian. 🙂 I use different names in various places on the internet just because using my own seems awkward, but they get mixed up sometimes. 🙂

            • deez permalink
              February 12, 2010 12:34 am

              Sockpuppets???? You are officially one of us lol!!! Join our tard contest!

            • Lauren permalink
              February 13, 2010 2:13 pm

              Pahahaha! You are called sane and then you use a sockpuppet. LOL!

        • Heather permalink
          February 12, 2010 3:46 am

          I think Adam’s a great performer, for sure. He’s mesmerizing. I’ll never forget his Zodiac performances that I’d seen. I don’t doubt that he’s capable of doing interesting things. I just haven’t seen anything yet that makes me think he’s revolutionizing music, is all. I can easily say the same for Kris, and I’m admittedly a Kristard. 🙂

      • erinnthered permalink
        February 11, 2010 10:29 pm

        Well said, Heather. The lack of recent music history knowledge in the Idol fandom is pervasive. Nothing wrong with enjoying the album, but don’t pretend he’s anything new – in any way. Same with Kris and Allison.

        No problem, jillian. Lots of people do the same. I love sane fans of all stripes. Please stick around. 🙂

        • jillian permalink
          February 11, 2010 11:35 pm

          Thanks!

          Sorry, I’ve replied to you like 3 times now, didn’t mean to deluge you with words. 🙂

        • Heather permalink
          February 12, 2010 3:43 am

          Yes, this. I like Allison and Kris, and Adam. But I don’t think any of their music is ground-breaking. Enjoyable? Yes. But I’m not seeing anything that I’ve never seen before.

          • Sherena permalink
            February 12, 2010 3:45 am

            -insert essay on how true originality does not exist and all creativity consists of rearranging the ideas that one has been exposed to, consciously or subconsciously-

            I need to go to bed.

    • margie permalink
      February 11, 2010 5:16 pm

      Wasn’t that a poll that you voted on? I know Time had a poll Adam’s fans spammed.

    • spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
      February 11, 2010 8:29 pm

      Gene;

      I guess many people don’t remember Boy George, or Pet Shop Boys, or Soft Cell or Dead of Alive, all or them were openly gay way before Adam came on the scene?

      Boy George was more popular than Adam and sold more in less time so Adam was not the 1st openly gay singer in pop music. Boy George was more open and dressed more openly gay than Adam, and that was back around 15 years. People were less gay-friendly back then. So really there isn’t anything special about Adam being gay and a pop singer that the media hasn’t falsely created.

      • Claire permalink
        February 11, 2010 8:38 pm

        Homophobe!

      • erinnthered permalink
        February 11, 2010 10:31 pm

        Don’t forget Holly Johnson of Frankie Goes to Hollywood. The fact that Relax even got played on mainstream radio still cracks me up. Same with Lil Jon’s Skeet Skeet.

    • saskin permalink
      February 11, 2010 9:10 pm

      Um. Hello Gene.Wake up and smell the coffee. Your guy is like incumbent Senator John Ashcroft and the other kid is Mel Carnahan. Remember? The dead guy that beat the Asscroft (R)? Yeah that one. A dead guy beat your guy. Get over it already.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      February 11, 2010 9:37 pm

      Why must these comparisons continue? As a devoted Adam fan I am ashamed at the way YOU and others like you continually degrade Kris and his talent in the name of Adam support. Shame on you.

      BTW: The music industry is in a slump. ALL sales are down. Maybe one of your 32-year-old- fortune 500 marketing executive cohorts could explain that to you.

      • Claire permalink
        February 11, 2010 9:51 pm

        Exactly. All of Kradison’s albums combined haven’t gone platinum. One is an AI winner whose memorable performances from the show sold better on iTunes than some of the chosen ones’ , one has a powerful, authentic rock voice that even the most cynical person can admit is pretty awesome, and one has been praised for his vocal range, awesome stage presence, and been compared to Elvis.

        Either they all suck, the industry sucks, or people just aren’t that into buying Idol music anymore.

      • Lauren permalink
        February 13, 2010 2:16 pm

        I love you Sour. I cannot understand why people feel the need to bash Krallison to make Adam look better.
        The music industry sucks now. When I ran to my mom with the good news that Adam had gone GOLD, she scoffed at his poor sales.

        • abu permalink
          February 13, 2010 2:37 pm

          You don’t understand because you are not a real Adam fan. A real Adam devotee would know that the first commandment to worshiping this rawk god is: Thou shalt have no other gods before Adam. All others need to be destroyed.

          • Lauren permalink
            February 13, 2010 2:43 pm

            Hahaha! I’m sorry, I haven’t read the Adam fan’s bible in a while. *Goes to delete all the Krallison off her ipod*

        • Mithra permalink
          February 13, 2010 3:04 pm

          His sales are poor. With all the pimping, promo, and media attention, he tanked. Not to mention the fact that they were practically giving away his CDs at $1.99 and $3.99 on Amazon for a time, and that they were seen at CVS at $3.99. Add in the sparkle cow multi purchases to use as coasters or a form of torture to send to the troups or battered women, and you have EPIC FAIL. Kris and Allison just were not given the same push, not even close.

  35. abu permalink
    February 11, 2010 3:40 pm

    All of a sudden, the put-down that only pre-teens like Kris Allen does not sound so bad anymore.

  36. andria permalink
    February 11, 2010 3:07 pm

    great article ,top Idol

    Gene go away !!!,

  37. morgan permalink
    February 11, 2010 3:00 pm

    JOHN MAYER’S CASTING PHOTOS FROM HIS CONCERT DONE BY THE SAME COMPANY GOTHAM CASTING FOR VH1 STORYTELLERS , duh.

    http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23539&id=16502939990

    ZZTOP GOTHAM CASTING FOR VH1 ALSO , SAME DEAL:

    http://www.facebook.com/notes/gotham-casting/complimentary-tickets-to-see-vh1-storytellers-zz-top-live-in-chicago/141156155174

    Don’t all run at the same time to retract your hateful comments, now that I’ve proven you to be jackasses, now.

    • Burgundy LaRue permalink
      February 11, 2010 6:53 pm

      I prefer to be called Penelope PissAnt. Kindly remember that and thank you.

      • margie permalink
        February 11, 2010 7:02 pm

        Well I think John Mayer is a douchebag…so your point is?

        • deez permalink
          February 11, 2010 8:16 pm

          Nope, I need more proof. Please provide all proof in triplicate,signed and dated by the Law Firm of Kerry M. Kolsch.

          I also need to see a second and third source, and several reams of data cross-referenced with figures provided by Q3. Please come back when you complete your PowerPoint presentation.

    • February 11, 2010 10:00 pm

      I am not a jackass. I’m a mule 🙂

    • erinnthered permalink
      February 11, 2010 10:33 pm

      See: My above response to jillian.

  38. saskin permalink
    February 11, 2010 2:53 pm

    WAT?

    http://iheartradio.clearcontests.com/ImageContest/OpenContest.asp?Action=Login&SurveyID=57313&zx=163

    Is submitting pictures going to be standard procedure for all Lambert concerts from now on?

    • deez permalink
      February 11, 2010 2:56 pm

      I can’t access that page…is this a different contest?

      • saskin permalink
        February 11, 2010 3:02 pm

        Let me try it again:

        http://iheartradio.clearcontests.com/ImageContest/OpenContest.asp?Action=Login&SurveyID=57313&zx=163

        I think it is different. It says:

        Adam Lambert is performing a private show in NYC for iheartradio on Monday, February 15, 2010 at 7pm at the PC Richard & Son Theater. Simply upload a photo of yourself glammed out (think: cool make-up, hair or outfit!) or by visiting our Facebook Fan Page
        This show is by invite only, so enter now!

        • deez permalink
          February 11, 2010 3:22 pm

          Yep the other one is Feb 13th. I wonder if that’s how they win the contest…or if they need to show up dressed that way? Tatoo chick should send in a pic of her back….she’d totally win.

        • Naiya permalink
          February 11, 2010 5:56 pm

          No ugly people need apply? Man, I would be pissed if I spent hours spamming every poll known to man and spent all of my money buying 40 copies of FYE only to be told that the only place I could witness my idol in all of his glory was in the middle of the FREAKIN’ DESERT! Makes me long for an idol who will love me unconditionally. Heh.

  39. morgan permalink
    February 11, 2010 2:48 pm

    Pathetic Top Idol: Such shallow comprehension, or deliberately disingenuous. I vote the latter. The casting photos are not unique to this particular artist or show, they do it all the time. And each attendee may bring a guest who is not required to send a photo. OIC it’s so SHOCKING they want to balance the age groups. So scandalous.

    LMAO at you fools – the biggest Adam tards on the internet after VFTW. Are you actually monkeysender, and/or the other lame wickedlydark who attend Adam’s appearances and troll the internet posting fake fan art and fake fan questions? And actually bothering to go in some stupid cow costume carrying a “protest’ sign against sparkle cows. But the actual FANS are BSC not you.

    Seriously how are you totally lacking any self awareness that both of your sites are just one big circle jerk of not only lame juvenile hate, but a complete dismissal of logic or facts. Such as idiot worsters with red herrings and strawman logic that only some 16 year old would “believe”. ie. trying to draw a parallel between WWFM radio air play and itunes single sales. After Adam Lambert has doubled KA’s album sales in fewer weeks in the market and gone gold. Oh that’s right. “cows & payola”. Payola LMAO. RCA is committing felonies and nobody knows it. Idiots.

    Your desperation over S9 is the best. Keep up your Lambert trolling since obvsly there is NOTHING left to garner hits here. I can’t wait to see you go over the deep end off your meds like Rickey. My only wish is that it can be captured on camera, including your legal name, at an Adam event wearing a cow suit with security and cops chasing you away like they did in Canada.

    • LeighKat permalink
      February 11, 2010 6:45 pm

      I would normally ignore this shit but, you are just beyond help. Get lost. Seriously.

    • deez permalink
      February 11, 2010 8:00 pm

      OOOOHHHH….another Sparkly Cow who thinks the sun revolves around her object of desire, and goes to great lengths to scour the internet for unbelievers to convert. Seriously, why are you wasting time here when there are polls to spam and DJs to harrass? Quick, or Adam might have to go a whole 48 hours without telling the herd to STFU.

    • stanless permalink
      February 11, 2010 9:49 pm

      Oh Morgan, you’re cute. There’s a funnier version of you on Twitter called Glambert696969

    • February 11, 2010 10:02 pm

      Wow, do you feel better?

    • Mary permalink
      February 11, 2010 11:46 pm

      MOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

    • Sherena permalink
      February 11, 2010 11:53 pm

      strawman logic that only some 16 year old would “believe”. ie. trying to draw a parallel between WWFM radio air play and itunes single sales

      Why exactly does the Straw Man fallacy apply to a parallel between WWFM airplay and single sales? Airplay and single sales influence each other, so the parallel is valid, isn’t it?

      Also, by the age of 16 the brain is almost entirely developed; although emotional maturity will continue to grow, logical ability is quite present.

    • jukejoint permalink
      February 12, 2010 2:32 am

      Morgan, sweetie, when the nurse comes with the little cup with your meds in it? Take the pills. It’s for your own good.

    • spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
      February 12, 2010 2:58 am

      OMG!!11 !! There is VFTW, Rickey, EW’s Slezak, MTV’s Jim, MJ, and now Top Idol??/?

      It’s a conspiracy…a conspiracy I tell ya. They are all out to get our bb Adam!!1!

      Maybe it just because some of you Glamberts are cray-cray and some of you turn people off. Not only do you turn other people off, you turn off radio stations, DJs, writers, promoters, RCA, the AdamOfficial.com moderator, and other fan bases. Have some of you ever thought about that instead of blaming others…I mean really thought about it? Put down the crack pipe and think why people saying these terrible things about you?

      I am not saying all Adam fans, because there are some pretty nice ones, and they can be pretty cool, but there are a certain ones who are totally sickening and Morgan/Gene you qualify as the latter.

    • 8sourcandy permalink
      February 12, 2010 3:36 am

      I can’t imagine that TI would wear a cow costume. She is fashionable, I have seen photos.

  40. nerdgirl permalink
    February 11, 2010 2:22 pm

    How many people live in Asian countries Kris visisted:
    Malaysia – 27 mil,
    Singapore – 4.8 mil,
    Philippines – 90 mil

    Total: 121.8 mil

  41. LeighKat permalink
    February 11, 2010 2:16 pm

    TI- your final observation- 100% brilliant!
    I have been trying to wrap my head around the whole Adam VH-1 acoustic thing. Didn’t know about the headshots and all- how transparent! I love it! Oh, and the European Tour? Perfection!

    I simply can’t stop laughing. I think I have some new found respect for these label execs. It’s the smartest thing they have done for Lambie’s career since the season finished.

    • Muzikizmi permalink
      February 11, 2010 9:06 pm

      Maybe the 19E folks finally realize that Adam’s only chance, means separating him from his sparkle herd. So, require photos for anything that will be taped or broadcast, and then send him to Europe and hope the cows can’t affort the price of two seats to fly their lard butts across the pond.

  42. Nich permalink
    February 11, 2010 1:15 pm

    Yay for Kris. I love that he’s getting out there and doing all sorts of stuff. But I’m hoping he gets to NY soon on a solo tour (or opening up for someone good) so I can see him.

    Headshots to a casting agent? Ouch. Way to try to stuff the main fanbase into a basement, guys. Too late though.

  43. jukejoint permalink
    February 11, 2010 1:07 pm

    I know I saw it mentioned somewhere that Kris had a connection to Tom’s Shoes before and maybe also during his season of AI. So not your big “I am using my Idol connections to get me some of that there fame stuff” strategy, but someone who likes being involved in good works doing more of the same.

  44. margie permalink
    February 11, 2010 1:06 pm

    Everyone since we don’t have an ignore button lets just not respond to any of Gene’s comments. 🙂 Let her talk to herself.

  45. Miz permalink
    February 11, 2010 12:57 pm

    I love your site and have been a lurker for quite some time. I just had to come out of the shadows to tell you how much I enjoyed this article.

  46. February 11, 2010 12:41 pm

    Heh, I enjoyed those videos – watching Kris cut loose is fun 😉 . Good for him, and now I have upgraded from might fork over some dollars to see him if he has a show near me to probably. Crap.

  47. Ally permalink
    February 11, 2010 11:55 am

    Have you seen the fan signs from Kuala Lumpur? Example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/47442563@N06/4346978742/

    • TopIdol permalink
      February 11, 2010 1:56 pm

      ARE THEY 12? Or just really petite?

      • deez permalink
        February 11, 2010 2:07 pm

        After reading that sign, hopefully they are just petite.

        • calico permalink
          February 11, 2010 3:26 pm

          I really hope something got lost in translation there.

          • jukejoint permalink
            February 11, 2010 3:40 pm

            Look, the mythical Kristard has been spotted in the wild!

            Or maybe it’s a hostile Glambert trying to besmirch poor Kris’s name by making it seem like he has crazy tard fans. You know they have campaigns to do that. Just go to any Alan Limberger site and look at the hatred they spew. It’s proof!

            • deez permalink
              February 11, 2010 3:48 pm

              lOl…Jukejoint you are the avatar changingest tard evah!!!1 Blowhole tomato is back!

              • jukejoint permalink
                February 11, 2010 3:53 pm

                Yeah, I got tired of the Screamapillar. It reminded me too much of Alan Limburger, the big version.

        • kimberly permalink
          February 11, 2010 3:46 pm

          I betcha she writes the best Kradam slash fanfiction on the net.

          • jukejoint permalink
            February 11, 2010 3:54 pm

            Me? Or the chick with the sign?

            • kimberly permalink
              February 11, 2010 10:39 pm

              oh, sorry. the chick with the sign. ::smile::

    • kimberly permalink
      February 11, 2010 3:44 pm

      I laughed when I saw that sign. They’re holding it up so proudly. All very innocent. It reminds me of my daughter when she tries to “shock” me with different words that she knows. I proceed to give her in-depth information about said word. She ends up with her fingers in her ears, singing “la, la, la, la…” What can I say, it cracks me up.

    • nekola permalink
      February 11, 2010 4:04 pm

      OK, I think I can clear up the confusion with that sign. It appears to be a misheard lyric. I think the lyric is from Can’t Stay Away. I’m too lazy to do the research, but I do know that there were other signs there with similar misheard lyrics. Due to Kris’ southern slang, some of his fans have creatively interpreted his lyrics. Instead of “Ain’t No Sunshine” it’s “Anal Sunshine.” My favorite interpretation if you will, is from Alright With Me when Kris starts out with “I’m just a little pawn stealing your game” but due to the magic of misheard lyrics it is “I’m just a little punk trying to steal your gay.” According to reports, Kris saw the latter two signs at the concert and was amused by them. Funny how much you can learn by lurking at ontd_ai. LOL! But yeah, the sign that the little girl was holding up is a bit disturbing.

      • jukejoint permalink
        February 11, 2010 4:43 pm

        “Anal Sunshine” is not a case of misheard lyrics — it’s an attempt to be funny. My guess is that “stealing your gay” is the same thing. Like, how can we twist his lyrics to make them fit our agenda? So “you make me come unglued” is supposed to be “you make me come on you”?

        Oh, those Kradam cuties, always trying so hard to be amusing and outré.

        • nekola permalink
          February 11, 2010 4:49 pm

          Oh, I know the “misheard lyrics” are on purpose, but I still think it’s funny. 🙂 Also, I’m pretty sure that Kris knows the deal behind the supposed lyrics.

      • deez permalink
        February 11, 2010 4:55 pm

        Yes, I ‘ve got it now, from Can’t Stay Away…it’s: “Girl, you make me come unglued” I really hope the word change was intentional, and they didn’t think that “Girl, you make me come on you” was the actual lyric. hahaha.

  48. hyde permalink
    February 11, 2010 11:03 am

    attempted crotch-grab @ 3:46 …he backs up quickly, lol:

    • blacklisted permalink
      February 11, 2010 12:49 pm

      Did that woman just rubbed her palm all over Kris’ crotch? What a lucky…I mean, what a whore!

      • deez permalink
        February 11, 2010 1:26 pm

        You’re attending Fraumageddon III, right? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get some video like this! I wonder how close the crowd will be there??…If Kris is getting molested, I can’t wait to see the Sparklecow assault on the Glambulge, heh….RUN, Adam!!! RUN AWAY!!!!!!

        • blacklisted permalink
          February 11, 2010 4:00 pm

          deez, there is a no camera policy! It seems the organizers want to film or take pictures of the concert in a very controlled manner, so that we miss out on the sparklecow stampede.

          • Burgundy LaRue permalink
            February 11, 2010 4:09 pm

            That shouldn’t stop you. There are all sorts of mini cameras on the market to be purchased cheaply. Make those pics/video happen, BL. Get rough with those organizers. It’s for our entertainment! Work it ’til they’re totally blown!

          • deez permalink
            February 11, 2010 5:03 pm

            Damn you concert organizers! Damn you all to hell!

          • erinnthered permalink
            February 11, 2010 10:46 pm

            Dude. You can always get a camera in. Your phone 😉

            We just want photos of the Glamberts. As long as you don’t aim it at the stage, you’ll be okay.

            • blacklisted permalink
              February 12, 2010 12:06 am

              ha, I was thinking of getting video before the concert on my ipod nano. I don’t want to get busted so I’m not taking chances during the performances.

              • erinnthered permalink
                February 12, 2010 4:56 pm

                DOOOO IIIIIITTT!!!!eleventy!!1!

      • margie permalink
        February 11, 2010 2:03 pm

        Oh my! That girl was not timid. I could never imagine doing that…wow.

  49. Burgundy LaRue permalink
    February 11, 2010 10:50 am

    Or maybe someone should clue them in that joining Columbia House to get 10 CDs for a penny 20 years ago does not mean you worked in the music business.

    I love you so much for this comment. *Gokey heart-hands*

    Kris looked like he had a blast in Asia. Good for him.

    And good for Adam on the VH1 thing, but needing a head shot to get into the show? If that doesn’t scream WE DON’T WANT NO 50-YEAR-OLD GLAMBERTS AROUND HERE, then nothing will. RCA is trying their best to keep Adam hot and trendy, to put the Glamberts back into the barn. Good luck on that.

    • Sherena permalink
      February 12, 2010 12:09 am

      Way too late for that.

  50. Gene permalink
    February 11, 2010 8:20 am

    “Many people may discount the whole big in Asia factor. Whatevia. I think over a billion people live there. Evidently, Kris Allen is very popular in the world’s largest continent.”

    The thing is, Japan dominate the music market in Asia and music sales in the Philippines, Singapore and Malaysia are not big.

    • deez permalink
      February 11, 2010 9:55 am

      So when Adam goes to that neck of the woods and has a great turnout, and sells well there, will it STILL not be big???? (or will THAT be different?)

      • Gene permalink
        February 11, 2010 10:29 am

        American Idol has always been popular in South East Asia and even less-known Idols like Michael Johns performed there after their Idol runs. I don’t know Kris’s album/single sales in those countries, but I don’t expect them to be huge because music markets are not big and piracy is common there.

        • deez permalink
          February 11, 2010 10:43 am

          Well I’ve just noticed that playing casinos/supper clubs was a waste of time when Kris did it, but now that Adam’s doing it, it’s AWESOME111!!!!!!1111ELEVENTY!!!!!

          So when Kris does well in Asia it’s no big deal, but…..extrapolate how you will….

          • jekyll permalink
            February 11, 2010 10:46 am

            IKR?????

            • hyde permalink
              February 11, 2010 10:51 am

              You see, as I’ve said here before…I’m a well-known Fortune 500 music-industry insider/lawyer/chef . I think my many youtube uploads qualifies me to say that without a doubt, that deez makes a good point here.

              • jonoave permalink
                February 11, 2010 11:06 am

                Well, I do think some of Gene’s comments are accurate. First being that Asian countries have diverse languages and their own superstars. Not everyone speaks English proficiently or listen to English artistes. For example like Shakira & Alesandro Sanz being big in Spain and some Latin-speaking countries, not so much outside (Shakira’s latest album hasn’t seen much success). Any English artiste breaking into these countries is difficult, unless you happen to be the BEP/Taylor Switft/Ke$ha of the month. And yeah, piracy is rampant here. A lot of countries don’t have iTunes, and most people including my friends have no qualms about illegal downloads. (I think this is the main reason why the autograph signing in Malaysia requires fans with CDs :P).

                That being said, the same holds true not only for Kris, but for Adam or anyone else coming to Asia as well. And while there is less bias against Idol contestants, not all Idols get the same response. I hardly think that Michael Sarver coming to Asia would get the same type of response.

                • jonoave permalink
                  February 11, 2010 11:28 am

                  Oh, forgot to add that I also disagree with the sales part. It would be foolish to use the same standards of sales in US for everywhere else in the world. Like in Canada, the certifications for gold/platinum is much lower. Similarly for UK as well.

                  I don’t know the exact album sales for Kris in Asia (which is misleading by the way, since Asia is made up of so many countries. It’s like asking how are CD sales in Europe.). But I can safely say that it should be lower than the CD sales in US. Which is not to dismiss by the way, considering that not everyone listens to English songs or watches Idol. Again, the same holds true for any foreign artist venturing into Asia.

                  And also to point out that there are other revenues besides CD sales which is tours like this. People have mentioned numerous times how the Davids took home round six figures each from their concert in Manila last year.

              • blacklisted permalink
                February 11, 2010 4:01 pm

                lmao, jekyll…I mean hyde.

          • Gene permalink
            February 11, 2010 11:02 am

            I was talking about music markets in those countries, it has nothing to do with playing casinos/supper clubs. Do you even know Kris’s CD sales in Asia?

            • deez permalink
              February 11, 2010 11:15 am

              What you are doing is a thinly veiled Glambertactic of coming into a post about Kris and twisting things to make them seem less than what they were. This is a post about about how his fans in Asia enjoyed his concerts. Bringing sales into the equation is an attempt to make this about something it’s not. I don’t keep up with album sales on every continent/spam articles and blogs with meaningless minutiae/ vote in polls to prove anything, b/c that is the realm of “others”…plus i’m too lazy. It has nothing to do with whether or not I, or some random person in Singapore is a fan. If you would like to prove that the mini-tour was no biggie because of album sales, I’m sure PF has a thread on that.

              Gene, Gene…the only time you come here is for trolling purposes when something good happens for HBD, I await your impending comment containing all the pertinent sales figures. (say hi to Q3).

              • Gene permalink
                February 11, 2010 11:50 am

                >this is a post about about how his fans in Asia enjoyed his concerts.

                Then it’s pathetic how you Kristards feel the need to mention Adam and his fans when the topic is merely about Kris. I was only responding to TopIdol’s comments about “big in Asia” and didn’t insult Kris anyway. You are a typical fantard who become mad whenever Kris isn’t mentioned in the most glowing of terms.

                • deez permalink
                  February 11, 2010 11:55 am

                  lulz.

                • Sherena permalink
                  February 12, 2010 12:10 am

                  I agree that Kris’ Asia sales are relevant to this post. I also raised an eyebrow at the “big in Asia” line but decided not to push it, lol.

                  • deez permalink
                    February 12, 2010 12:53 am

                    Lol. I don’t always agree with the bad stuff said here sometimes about Adam, but Gene kills any points he/she tries to make b/c of the obvious reasons behind it. Sherena, if you had made that point, it probably would’ve triggered a rational discussion. Gene, however, pops up intermittently to further his/her trolling agenda….so I’d rather extend a GTFO invitation.

                    It’s a “consider the source” issue. I know it’s gotta be hard for the Adam fans here…you guys are really good sports. It REALLY is only a Glambert issue (for me anyway). IDK about that even. You and Sour refer to yourselves as Glamberts sometimes, right? Maybe there needs to be a better word for the spam-happy trolls.

                    • TopIdol permalink
                      February 12, 2010 12:58 am

                      Adam Lambert is doing another casino show…this time in British Columbia.

                      Capacity: 900

                      Convinced they are trying to keep passport-less frauen out of our northern neighbor.

                    • Sherena permalink
                      February 12, 2010 1:50 am

                      I don’t know about the others, but I just refer to myself as an “Adam fan.” Although these days I am more of an “apathetic to Season 8 in general.” lol

              • DeeDee permalink
                February 11, 2010 12:46 pm

                You go gurl!!!

            • Naiya permalink
              February 11, 2010 12:04 pm

              Gene, I am not sure anyone on this particular blog gives a flying flip about cd sales. Maybe you could look those up for us and let us know? Could you also look up how much Kris was paid for his appearances in Asia? Jive/19 must be pretty stoked about that, at least.

              • Gene permalink
                February 11, 2010 12:24 pm

                Can’t you read my previous comment? I said that I was only responding to TopIdol’s comments about “big in Asia”. Geez, only only Kristards are allowed to say anything they want here?

                • Burgundy LaRue permalink
                  February 11, 2010 12:28 pm

                  Yes. Do that and you’ll fit in well around here.

                  *I joke, I tease*

                • Naiya permalink
                  February 11, 2010 12:50 pm

                  Oh OK, I apologize then. For some reason I thought you referenced music sales in one of your first posts…my mistake. I agree with you that SE Asia is fairly small, but it does seem like he made out well there. Oh, and I am not a Kristard. I am a Tardemort from Whoville.

                • deez permalink
                  February 11, 2010 1:21 pm

                  Ok now, no back-tracking…what was the purpose of your bringing it up in the first place? To point out there are more than 3 countries in Asia? I think not.

                  Gene, if you want to stick around and play, that’s fine. There are cool Adam fans here…the difference is they don’t show up once every 3 months to give us album sales info. We know HBD’s aren’t stellar…who cares? This is a snark blog. We want funny. Coming over to expound on why TI is wrong because Japan is blahblahblah isn’t funny. She’s being FUNNY and SARCASTIC.

                  Hint: Rag on HBD all you want….monkey-boy, Who, midget, homoerotic frat-boy tendencies…that’s how VFTW does it. It’s amusing. We don’t give a frak about album sales, branding, marketing, faux concern, etc…if you are irony impaired, there’s always PF….and MJ’s seems to be a particular haven for those who enjoy comparing and contrasting various sales figures/market analyses.

                  We don’t want to be bored by Q3isms, BLARGH!!!!

                  • Gene permalink
                    February 11, 2010 1:37 pm

                    >We don’t give a frak about album sales, branding, marketing, faux concern, etc…

                    Then why are there some Kristards discussing about Adam’s sales and his career in this thread? I just find it funny that Kristards love to constantly discuss about those things about Adam, yet they refuse to discuss Kris’s album sales and what they portend for his career. I think it really shows their insecurity, they know that Kris is not doing well.

                    • margie permalink
                      February 11, 2010 1:41 pm

                      He is 3rd best seller from Jive artists. Plus he is on single numero uno. It did not take him three to get a semi hit like someone.

                      Now shoo!!! I need a flyswatter. You are an annoying bitch that trolls every freaking Kris news, blog piece, etc.

                    • deez permalink
                      February 11, 2010 1:54 pm

                      Where are the Adam sales discussions? Who is this “they” you speak of? No one here is worried at all from what I see, we are laughing at groping videos.

                      Please honey, you are boring me with your trollery

                    • Gene permalink
                      February 11, 2010 2:17 pm

                      >He is 3rd best seller from Jive artists. Plus he is on single numero uno. It did not take him three to get a semi hit like someone.

                      Kris’s future on Jive doesn’t depend on how he does compared to other Jive artists who have bad album sales lately. Idol winner is expected to succeed on the first album. He may have a semi hit but it is not helping album sales that much.

                      >Where are the Adam sales discussions? Who is this “they” you speak of?

                      Huh? Read margie, saskin and Burgundy LaRue’s comments about Adam’s career and how he has “very poor return on investment”. What does that discussion anything to do with the topic about how Kris’s fans in Asia enjoyed his concerts?

                    • kimberly permalink
                      February 11, 2010 3:23 pm

                      Adam Lambert CD has gone GOLD; Kris Allen’s CD has not — YET. Unless you are Susan Boyle, singles should at some point sell CDs. Adam like David Cook came out of the box strong. David Cook’s radio play and hard work, touring, touring, touring, helped to sell his CD.

                      Owl City, Lady Gaga, Pink, to name a few, did not have huge first week CD sales like David Cook, David Archuletta or Adam Lambert, to name a few. It was hard work, radio play, hit singles that got them the buzz and the sales.

                      I think one of the biggest problems with IDOL season 8 was that it had too many male contestants. It spread the voting out across the board and a Fan of Anoop or Matt or Scott might not carry that fannish fervor over to another IDOL. Gokey fans might have voted for Kris or even Adam, but might not have had the drive to actually spend money on them. Adam needs hit singles, as does, Kris. I see Kris having more of a chance than Adam in that department.

                      I believe Kris will remain with JIVE as long as Kris chooses to be with them. He’s all ready talked about the next CD. I found one interview quite intersting when he talked about Live Like We’re Dying, stating that the Powers told him it was going to be a HIT single. TPTB have it all lined up and worked out — it appears they have complete faith in Kris.

                      Congratulations to Adam’s gold album. That said, discounted Kris Allen is a huge mistake. Your claims of failure are tiresome to say the least.

        • kimberly permalink
          February 11, 2010 3:06 pm

          I’ve heard Elliot Yamin is very popular in Japan. Correct?

          • greentea permalink
            February 12, 2010 1:28 am

            Yes, Elliot is popular in Japan(somehow). He and Kelly are only idols who have succeeded in Japan so far. After all, the viewership of AI in Japan is very small.
            And it seems to me that many people misunderstand ( or exaggerate) Japanese music market. Japan is not so much bigger market in terms of non-Japanese music.
            Japanese music chart is very domestic – Japanese music occupy 70-80% share of whole music market. This is way bigger percentage than Philippine, Malaysia , Singapore or Indonesia (and less than India, I think). That means, non-Japanese music share is actually very small. It is not easy for foreign musicians to be successful in Japan, unless you are like MJ or Madonna, who are already worldwide superstar.
            Of course sales itself may be huge. But it is because the price of CD is higher than other countries. Promotion in Japan for foreign musicians (especially s/he is new artist) is more cost, less benefit for me.

            • deez permalink
              February 12, 2010 10:39 am

              Thanks for the info. It’s nice to hear from someone who seems to actually be familiar with the subject of the Asian music market. There’s too much misinformation and speculation here…which leads to thread derailment. (which was undoubtedly the intent, lol)

      • Jas permalink
        February 11, 2010 11:18 am

        I am from Singapore and I can vouch that South-east Asia is a VERY small part of Asia. Like the poster above said, Japan has a much bigger market for music.

        • jonoave permalink
          February 11, 2010 11:29 am

          Lol Jas. *waves from the land above yours*

        • deez permalink
          February 11, 2010 11:30 am

          When did this become about album sales? TI never mentions it in her post. She is making the point that his mini-tour was uber-successful. *sigh* I hope the trend from MJ’s where every positive post about HBD gets derailed into the album sales debate with 25 posts isn’t going to start happening here.

          • Pandora permalink
            February 11, 2010 11:39 am

            I know TI doesn’t mod people or ban them, which is a big part of what makes it fun here, but how about an “ignore” feature on the new blog?

            • TopIdol permalink
              February 11, 2010 1:57 pm

              I can see about doing something…but you must have the power and strength to ignore them without a button option!

              And I have banned people before, trust me. And once I sort through the pages of comments I haven’t read on here…I suspected some trolls would show up.

              • deez permalink
                February 11, 2010 2:08 pm

                OK…I’m the worst ….I’ll cease the troll-feeding.

          • Jas permalink
            February 11, 2010 12:11 pm

            I love the response the response he got on the tour! It’s just misleading to say that Kris is big in Asia because of the response in these countries. Not trying to troll or anything here. Kris probably got paid a lot from this mini-tour so that’s great for him. Album sales are not relevant in this context.

            • deez permalink
              February 11, 2010 12:57 pm

              We know you’re not a troll, Jas, the points you make are fine. SOME PEOPLE, however, are well-known trolls who try stir up shit, and only come here at certain times to make certain points.

              • Jas permalink
                February 14, 2010 4:12 am

                Oh ok. I am not used to commenting on blogs so I am a bit confused, lol. Give me some time. 😛

        • TopIdol permalink
          February 11, 2010 2:05 pm

          Oh, I know. And singers in Taiwan and China are absolutely HUGE. But it kind of just fit with the whole point…artistic license, if you will! 🙂

          • Jas permalink
            February 14, 2010 4:56 am

            That’s good, lol. Yea, the artistes from Taiwan and China are insanely huge. At least they are in my neck of the woods.

  51. auntieaimee permalink
    February 11, 2010 8:16 am

    “Feather boas…pretty young things screaming and dancing…fire eating…candid interviews…crowd surfing…what is this bizarro world? This actually happened in real time and not just in a video shoot? And it happened to Kris Allen?”

    He’s certainly living the dream, isn’t he? It seems like he’s having an amazing time over there. Good for him. 🙂

  52. gossip candy permalink
    February 11, 2010 7:46 am

    best post ever!

  53. Naiya permalink
    February 11, 2010 7:41 am

    So, Kris is getting groped by pretty, young things while wearing a feather boa and Adam is playing a small, acoustic gig on VH1???? Where am I?

    • Pandora permalink
      February 11, 2010 10:15 am

      Remember, it depends on the situation whether a televised performance is better than a non-televised one. “Situation” being whether it is Adam or Kris performing. 😉

  54. Verbally Dyslexic permalink
    February 11, 2010 6:57 am

    My friend and I flew down to Singapore to catch the show, and yes, HBD had the time of his life there. Was closer to the stage than I was at the KL showcase, but nowhere near to grope him. I don’t think I’d want to either, but we’ll never know, will we?

  55. February 11, 2010 3:59 am

    I ❤ this post SFM. 🙂

    Seriously, what I appreciate the most in watching these videos is seeing how tight Kris and his band mates are. I love his songs in the album but watching them perform it live (okay, in youtube) makes me love it more. Then, you'll see them goofing around with each other is….aah. Okay, I guess I should stop now. (And yeah, they're totally hot. Well, except for latin jesus ;D)

    (Yep, I want to delurk once in a while to appreciate Kris Freaking Allen.)

  56. Mylifeback permalink
    February 11, 2010 3:40 am

    But when is the Kramily reunion tho?

    • Paulie permalink
      February 11, 2010 5:04 am

      Ooh! A Kramily Kreunion! Someone better organize one!

      • Verbally Dyslexic permalink
        February 11, 2010 6:47 am

        Better ask Krelinda 😉

  57. Claire permalink
    February 11, 2010 3:24 am

    “Many people may discount the whole big in Asia factor.”

    They’re racist! 🙂

    • stanless permalink
      February 11, 2010 12:56 pm

      And heterophobes!

  58. margie permalink
    February 11, 2010 3:21 am

    New video of “Come Together” from Singapore. They weren’t lying. Boy was molested.

    • kelanie permalink
      February 11, 2010 3:26 am

      The funny thing is, he seemed to love it!

      • Seeker permalink
        February 11, 2010 3:58 am

        I did, didn’t he? LOL … maybe he was high on the music and didn’t care what the rest of the world were saying or doing. I love how Torres also loses himself in the music.

        • Seeker permalink
          February 11, 2010 4:01 am

          *facepalm* I meant “he did, didn’t he?” Grrrrrrr!
          GRAMMAR FAIL!!! or a Freudian slip of some kind.

          • Seeker permalink
            February 11, 2010 5:09 am

            Also, world “was” and not “were”. Sorry but it was killing me!
            No more, I promise!

      • Muzikizmi permalink
        February 11, 2010 8:17 pm

        Well, they weren’t sparkle cows. 🙂

    • TopIdol permalink
      February 11, 2010 3:28 am

      It’s like the For Your Entertainment video. But real! And cooler!

      • melvel permalink
        February 11, 2010 3:35 am

        OMG, this comment is so spot-on!

        • deez permalink
          February 11, 2010 10:11 am

          It’s pretty funny to read the tweets from concertgoers. “SQUEEEEEE I just got a handful of Kris Allen’s ass!!!!111!!!!” “OMG!!! My face was in his crotch!!!!!”

          LOL…I thought it was BS until I saw the videos. Cale seemed to be getting in on the action towards the end. I’m sure none of these guys will be hurting for “companionship” (if they are so inclined) in the near future. (Just HAD to go and get married, didn’t ya Kris)

          • Jas permalink
            February 11, 2010 11:23 am

            “(Just HAD to go and get married, didn’t ya Kris)”

            I am laughing so hard at this right now. I love Katy but I can’t say this thought hasn’t crossed my mind.

          • mylifeback permalink
            February 11, 2010 12:41 pm

            But, wait! Deez, by saying “Cale was getting in on the action”, are you saying he was trying to grab HBD’s crotch, too? That would be so exciting!

            • Jas permalink
              February 14, 2010 4:15 am

              That thought did cross my mind too. Gosh, what am I?

          • blacklisted permalink
            February 11, 2010 12:43 pm

            “Cale seemed to be getting in on the action towards the end.”

            If Cale wants someone four inches taller than Kris but without a penis, I’m available!

            • deez permalink
              February 11, 2010 1:37 pm

              BL, when you attend Kradison, you must try to seduce Cale. He seems very approachable…go to PF and brush up on your stalking techniques and go for it! It’s your destiny. (then give me details)

              • blacklisted permalink
                February 11, 2010 4:08 pm

                Cale’s already smiled and waved at me….or at the 12 year old next to me awaiting Justin Beiber to appear at Jingle Ball. I choose to believe it was me!

                If only I hadn’t given up my groupie thong years ago….

              • lin permalink
                February 11, 2010 5:07 pm

                Whats PF?

                • deez permalink
                  February 11, 2010 5:25 pm

                  Planet Fierce….enter at your own risk. Some of the craziest Glamberts known to man reside there.

            • margie permalink
              February 11, 2010 2:02 pm

              Cale is hot. He is Cosmo bachelor of the year!! LOL 🙂 I like Krale. They have a great friendship and have for years.

      • deez permalink
        February 11, 2010 1:58 pm

        OH TI!!! YOU MUST SEND THE PHOTO OF OSKAR on the “Fur Your Entertainment” ALBUM COVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        Who can top the attractiveness of his glamtastic furriness??

        • deez permalink
          February 11, 2010 2:11 pm

          replied to wrong comment….this was about the photo submission thingy.

      • erinnthered permalink
        February 12, 2010 4:53 pm

        Exactly!

        (just saw this.)

    • February 11, 2010 4:00 am

      Even though I have been lurking here forevah clearly 3 am on a random Wednesday night is the right time to start commenting.

      But ahahahahahaha Kris, at least you have the same problems as the Boss:

    • spinningfasterandfastertonowhere permalink
      February 11, 2010 9:23 am

      dang! Kris got a “massage” in Singapore…lol

    • saskin permalink
      February 11, 2010 11:47 am

      Wow. Check out the security guy, he’s like “shit… shit… shit… SHIT!”. Good for him. He might never get to do these things again. Idol already geared itself to trash whatever is left of him. For a non-fan I’m tarding so bad that I’ll say it; this kid and Kelly Clarkson might be the only two decent human beings that came out of that shitty show. Crap. I said it.

      • Burgundy LaRue permalink
        February 11, 2010 12:10 pm

        I wouldn’t go quite that far. I think most of the contestants are good people. It’s the show that can be truly bad. I still think the only contestant I truly loathe is ConstanStank.

        • saskin permalink
          February 11, 2010 12:12 pm

          I meant they all get reality-show-stary. Except for these two.

          • Burgundy LaRue permalink
            February 11, 2010 12:27 pm

            Oh, I see what you’re saying. I do think many of them buy into the Idol bubble hype too much. It’s one thing to believe in it if you’re Carrie Underwood–someone they like and whose genre is performing well.

            For most of these contestants, being on the show is the closest they’ll get to the brass ring, to seemingly have fame and fortune. I don’t blame them for trying to hold on for as long as possible, but they need to come back down from the reality-show high at some point.

            I find myself feeling sorry for a lot of them. It’s gotta be hard to return to your ‘boring’ life once you’ve been on TV in front of 25 million, to go for your dream only to be voted off and poked fun of in blogs. Has to do a number on your mind, I say.

            • saskin permalink
              February 11, 2010 12:50 pm

              It does a number for sure.

              I think this is dangerous stuff for both the contestants and the fans. I can’t believe how certain fans lose themselves in the hype. I’m sure they all are wonderful people, they just lose it for a while. The contestants too.

      • TopIdol permalink
        February 11, 2010 2:10 pm

        For a non-fan I’m tarding so bad that I’ll say it; this kid and Kelly Clarkson might be the only two decent human beings that came out of that shitty show.

        So funny, because I thought the exact same thing yesterday. I’ve always considered Kelly Clarkson to be in a class all her own, plus, I never discovered her until 2004. But the only one to come this close in overall appeal and likability….

  59. kelanie permalink
    February 11, 2010 3:18 am

    I don’t know if you’ve read about this, but apparently, RCA has been contacting some fan groups of Adam in UK to ensure that he will be greeted in the UK with “mass hysteria”. I find that quite amusing… do labels normally correspond with fans like these?

    • TopIdol permalink
      February 11, 2010 3:22 am

      Hmmm…hopefully, Lamberkitten will come on soon. She’s in the UK and maybe she can clue us in to more of what is going on. Perhaps she knows?

      Mass hysteria? Like a reverse Beatles sort of thing?

      • kelanie permalink
        February 11, 2010 3:28 am

        I think what RCA meant is that they want to ensure that his welcome there would be big, so they enlisted the help of his fans in Britain. Naturally, they went to the more cray-cray fan groups willing to do anything.

        • Pandora permalink
          February 11, 2010 12:09 pm

          Serious question here… is there an actual “fan group” of any artist that is not made up of crazy people?

    • margie permalink
      February 11, 2010 3:24 am

      I can’t fathom how much money RCA has put in on Adam. They are pushing him so hardcore. It seems forced…oh well that’s my opinion. But by now he was supposed to be a International Supastah!!!eventy!!!

      Love the head shots needed to see Adam. Man this is funny as shit.

      • saskin permalink
        February 11, 2010 12:09 pm

        I can’t fathom how much money RCA has put in on Adam. They are pushing him so hardcore.

        I know right??? I thought they would stop loss at one point because he seems to have very poor return on investment. But these guys (unlike the AI guys) must know what they are doing. Otherwise they wouldn’t be in business, right? If they keep pushing him, they must know something. There must be a market. Maybe they’re just trying to reach that demographic or something.

        My thing is, what kind of music does he do? His first single was a rock ballad rip-off. Second; a grinding dance crap. Third; I don’t even know what the heck that is. So what do you expect when you buy a Lambert album or go to his concert? Weird stuff.

        But they must know something. I just can’t process it.

        • Burgundy LaRue permalink
          February 11, 2010 12:19 pm

          I still contend that they want to turn him into the male Lady Gaga, this incredible mix of glamourous, dance-oriented pop music. What they don’t understand is that Gaga co-writes her songs, plays instruments, and has a clear vision for herself. Adam doesn’t have the first two things going for him and the last item is very suspect.

          • Gene permalink
            February 11, 2010 12:43 pm

            You Kristards should worry about Kris’s poor album sales. Kris is an Idol winner and the winner’s album usually is expected to sell at least a million plus. I’ve never seen a winner that can’t have a platinum album remain under contract. Kris’s album has to sell at least one million.

            • blacklisted permalink
              February 11, 2010 12:46 pm

              Thanks for your “concern” Gene! Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, dear. 🙂

            • DeeDee permalink
              February 11, 2010 12:55 pm

              Where is that ignore button?

            • jukejoint permalink
              February 11, 2010 1:03 pm

              Oh, how funny. Gene supposedly only popped in to tell us that the Philippines, Malaysia and Singapore don’t amount to a hill of beans in this world. But he (or she — we all know it’s Q3, on a day pass from WalMart in Mississippi) couldn’t resist hurling insults at that mythical group of boogeymen, the Kristards, who seem about as real as Bigfoot, the unicorn and the Loch Ness Monster. Show me a picture of one, please.

              I also fail to see how Kris having a good time in those places in any way reflects on Their Lord and Master, Aidan Lamberg. But maybe that’s just me…

              • deez permalink
                February 11, 2010 1:43 pm

                If I wasn’t too lazy, I would go back and find some of Gene/Genie’s past comments.
                It’s always the same M.O. He/she pops in every few months with a concern-type post, then becomes increasingly hostile. LOL.

                “we all know it’s Q3, on a day pass from WalMart in Mississippi”

                Nice.

            • auntieaimee permalink
              February 11, 2010 1:07 pm

              Gene, shouldn’t you be getting your Glamour Shots done for Adam’s StoryTellers performance? ;->

              • Naiya permalink
                February 11, 2010 1:35 pm

                Oooooo! I think whoever emulates Adam’s album cover the best should automatically get in.

            • mylifeback permalink
              February 11, 2010 1:09 pm

              Cool story, Gene.

            • Erin107 permalink
              February 11, 2010 5:37 pm

              lol BE GONE DEMON. Can we get an exorcist up in here?

            • 8sourcandy permalink
              February 12, 2010 3:46 am

              It will.

    • Mer permalink
      February 11, 2010 3:26 am

      LOL Oh my god, what? Where have you seen this?

    • kimberly permalink
      February 11, 2010 2:56 pm

      It seems to be all a facade then. The Vh-1 head shots, the gathering of fan groups, nothing is organic, nothing is real. RCA/19 are working their assess off to make the public believe in a product that so far has not lived up to the hype.

      Sure the guy has talent and he definitley loves the spotlight beyond the music. He grew up basking in it on the stage, far more at home, far more comfortable with it than any other IDOL. He’s articulate and charming in his own way, but it doesn’t make him the next King of Pop. His niche to me will always be theater. That is NOT a bad thing.

      As far as, SALES and POPULARITY of the IDOLS and IDOL music, Carrie Underwood at this point seems to be holding strong. Kelly Clarkson’s CD sales are tepid. The CD was released in March or so and she has sold 850,000+ to date. So to put that in perspective, her CD has been out close to a year and has not gone Platinum which seems to be the IDOL FANS’ touchstone of true success. Her singles have been successful off the CD so far, I Do Not Hook Up, an exception.

      Daughtry’s 2nd album hasn’t really been blowing up, but has now outsold Kelly’s CD to date closing in on 900,000 units. No Surprise has gone Platinum. His latest single seems to be a slow sell @370,000 units sold to date.

      David Cook has reached the Platinum milestone, but unlike Kelly, his singles have had a slower road to Platinum. His 2nd single Come Back to Me, didn’t take off at all, unfortunately. The Powers chose not to realease a third single, which stalled CD sales.

      David Archuletta, Jordin Sparks, Clay Aiken, Rueben Studdard, Fantasia … who knows? Moderate success? Never to be heard from again? Making more money than a lot of the readers here, I’m sure. Just putting a bit of perspective on the FAIL label.

      Adam Lambert has finally gone GOLD. I am more than certain the initial CD sales relied HEAVILY on overzealous fans. I predict a tampering off of sales. The CD will begin to rely more on radio play of its singles, as well as, touring. Radio play is getting his music out there and that will increase his single/CD sales.

      There is no arguing that for a runner-up, he has recieved the spoils of a victor — starting with a Rolling Stone cover, et al. Red Carpet, A-list treatment, video and song connected to a “blockbuster” movie, along with the ever-present media hype, AMA performance and multiple camera panning during the show that one would think he was the headliner. Whether Time For Miracles was to be his 1st single or not, he then realeased For Your Entertainment, after a sluggish response to TFM. FYE was eventually pulled for a myriad of reasons. Finally, WWFM (not sure how to spell out the title) has gotten Lambert on the right track, as far as, radio play, and as a Real World recording artist, which is the way it should have been from day one. Bottom line: the boy isn’t a superstar, rock god. He’s just a guy with unique vocals who may or may not succeed in the music industry.

      Kris Allen will always be a surprise. He’ll especially be a surprise to his detractors. Jamie Foxx had it right about Kris. He does blow you away and pulls you in effortlessly, so effortlessly the listener isn’t even aware of it. He’s subtle and cool. Live Like We’re Dying will soon go platinum and his next single, if the right one is chosen, will increase his single and CD sales. With less hype, Kris has sold 255,000 units of his CD. Kris is an interesting artist, his music far more sophisticated, deeper than perhaps the Justin Beiber set can appreciate, with the exception of Alright With Me, Written All Over My Face, Can’t Stay Away… The man and his music is real, honest. That will take him far.

      I’m not in the music industry, but I like looking at numbers/stats. I also am a staunch believer in fair play, reason, and truth. I am a fan of Kris Allen and David Cook. I do listen and have purchased Kelly, Carrie, and Daughtry CDs. I enjoy many genres of music. I am not a LAMBERT hater, just a GLAMBERT hater no matter their COUNTRY of origin.

      I know far too long. Thanks for the platform Top Idol.

      • Burgundy LaRue permalink
        February 11, 2010 3:43 pm

        Very well said, Kimberly.

        I don’t think there’s anyone here who hates Adam. Most of us have complimented him in some fashion over the past several months. There’s more than enough room for Kris, Adam, and all other Idol alums to succeed.

        But be honest–for all the hype surrounding him, Adam hasn’t lived up to expectations. Yes, those expectations were too high. Nevertheless, with all the attention he got, there were a number of people who anticipated Adam becoming the second coming of David Bowie, Elvis, MJ, Prince, Freddie Mercury–all rolled up into one. That wasn’t fair to Adam. But when you get magazine covers and pimp slots at major award shows, it happens.

        TPTB pushed Adam as being a major star before he left the Idol stage. So with that in mind, shouldn’t he be selling albums at a Susan Boyle or Taylor Swift-type pace? But he’s not doing that. Yes, he’s gone gold. And yes, he’s sold more than Kris. But Kris was never promoted as the next big thing. Adam was.

        Kris has done more with less. He has one song out–a song that’s doing very well on the radio and has been downloaded over 800K times. His video has been #1 twice on VH1. He just completed a successful mini-tour. He’s made steady progress. Whatever success Kris has gotten, he’s done so organically and without shooting too many bullets, if you will.

        One can argue whether TfM was actually a single, but it was out there for the masses to consume. It went nowhere. FYE was a radio dud for any number of reasons. WWFM gives Adam his first solid hit. Good for him. But needing three chances to pull off a moderate hit for a new singer is in bad form.

        A lot of what surrounds Adam isn’t all-together his fault. But this is what happens when you put someone on a pedestal they haven’t earned. Treat him like a new artist. Adam is NOT on the level of Lady Gaga or David Bowie. Don’t give him that sort of treatment. It’s setting him up for disappointment.

        Kimberly is right: it’s not about hating Adam. It’s about hating the Glamberts who think he’s the next rock deity when for now, he’s just another new kid trying to make a name for himself. It’s about hating all the undue hype that surrounds him. It really isn’t about hating the player. In this case, we really do hate the game. But it’s a game that Idol/RCA/19 created. Don’t blame us for not playing along. It isn’t any fun.

        • February 12, 2010 1:33 am

          Kimberly’s + LaRue’s posts = ❤

          Seriously, I'm really tired reading comments about Kris' album sales. How his is lowest from any idol winners? God, yeah, it's true *for now* but it doesn't mean he will not sell anymore cds as he established himself as an artist. For f**k sake, GIVE THIS SOME TIME (same goes to Adam and Allison) to prove himself. I just don't understand the logic of bringing him down just to up your idol after all these months. It's okay to be bitter at first but now, it is just pathetic. //rant

          And yeah, I love this post SFM. 🙂

          • February 12, 2010 1:34 am

            *THIS KID

          • TopIdol permalink
            February 12, 2010 1:38 am

            Technically, doesn’t Lambert have lower album sales than any other Idol winner, too?

            • February 12, 2010 3:19 am

              Exaaactly. (in a Kris Allen voice ;))

            • Sherena permalink
              February 12, 2010 3:38 am

              But Adam isn’t an Idol winner…?

              Although admittedly, his sales are pretty disappointing too.

            • 8sourcandy permalink
              February 12, 2010 4:16 am

              I read somewhere recently that only 7 artists sold more than a million records in 2009. The industry is in a slump. It’s why all these artists are cracking up, John Mayer the most recent example. The pressure seems tremendous. Who buys music anymore, when stealing it is so easy? I don’t know how they make money. The Artists that are making money aren’t making it from their music, but rather from contracts and endorsements outside of the music industry. 19E is behind Adam because he can recoup through outside deals. He is aggressively seeking modeling/acting gigs. The triple-platinum selling albums of the ’80s are no more.

              • Burgundy LaRue permalink
                February 12, 2010 10:56 am

                It’s why so many singers/songwriters license their songs for TV shows and ads. It’s a good way to make money and stay afloat. Jazz singer Patti Austin sang on lots of commercials years ago and she’s probably still cashing checks from them. I can’t begin to imagine what The Who is pulling in from the CSI franchise using their music. Bet it’s a pretty penny.

                So good for Adam to book fashion gigs, Kris for scoring the Ford ads, and Jason Castro who has a song featured on an Overstock.com feature. If it generates income in a respectable manner, I can’t argue with that.

          • jukejoint permalink
            February 13, 2010 5:59 pm

            Besides, Jordin was “the worst selling Idol winner ever” for quite a while, and she still managed a platinum album (eventually) and some very high-profile singles. I mean, somebody has to to the “worst-selling” and somebody has to be the “best-selling,” even if it’s only by one cd. There are only eight of them to choose from! Records sales are way down and everybody knows it, and it only stands to reason that the people from the later seasons would be lower. Taylor, Jordin and Kris… Cook is an anomaly because (I think, anyway) he really benefitted from the Magic Rainbow as well as a strong rivalry with the other David (irate fans buy stuff — witness Clay vs. Ruben and all the money that made TPTB) and a super-strong following among the cray-cray with money to spend. There’s something to be said for a cougar fanbase. They have bucks.

            Anyway, with only eight total to compare, it’s pretty tough to draw any lasting conclusions. And they’re each so different. Kelly was the first and the original, Ruben had the whole Ruben vs. Clay thing, Fantasia is wildly different from everybody else and came out of a heavily girl-pimped season which included somebody who broke out and became (arguably) the only A list star in the entire Idol franchise, Carrie was the Golden Country Girl from the get-go and dropped into a genre that loves its Golden Girls, Taylor sold a ton out of the gate based on Soul Patrol enthusiasm and then dropped like a rock, plus was reportedly hard to get along with and hard to market, Jordin appeared to have very little fanbase but got a duet with Chris Brown which did amazing things for her bottom line, David vs. David and lots of invested fans in both of them made their Season of the Plant seem different from the others, too, and this past season, with the Adam vs. Danny meme from the beginning, with Kris kind of a party-crasher who never got paid any attention until it was too late for TPTB to torpedo him, was again, different from all the others, especially because they saddled him with the worst coronation single ever and even dropped it from the tour because it was so umarketable.

            And the recording industry has seen massive changes (Napster, digital, iTunes, illegal downloads, singles running roughshod over albums, compensation changing, the birth of the 360 deal, etc) since Kelly was crowned the first Idol champ, which makes head-to-head comparisons even more difficult. Twenty years from now, we might be able to look at all their careers and see who survived and in what style, but I bet their different paths and different genres will still make comparisons among them clumsy, if not downright ridiculous.

            • saskin permalink
              February 13, 2010 6:40 pm

              Good analysis juke. The bottom line is; these kids are given a chance that very few artists can even dream of. They get to be on a very popular TV show as long as they are on the show; they get a recording contract with a major label; they get to promote their album on the best TV and radio shows in the US; they get to tour… etc. If they screw up, they screw up. There is nothing their fans can do. On the other hand if they take advantage of this opportunity wisely they might get an awesome career. But most fail to utilize it because that is a completely different talent. So who knows.

      • LeighKat permalink
        February 11, 2010 5:51 pm

        Well said Kimberly. That is all.

      • Megan permalink
        February 11, 2010 8:06 pm

        Dude, if you don’t like Adam, why do you spend so much time talking about him? That seems a lot like the Glamberts who spend most of their time talking about what they don’t like about Kris.

        I think Kris is an awesome person, and his music isn’t terribly interesting. I don’t think Adam is OMGNEXTELVIS, but I do think his music and his ability as an artist is awesome, and he seems really sweet. I’m glad they’re both doing well, it seems. But that’s just my opinion.

    • February 11, 2010 10:18 pm

      Kelanie – do labels normally correspond with fans like these? Well I am one of those fans but I have never been part of a fan group before so I have no idea. Yeah they contacted the fan websites informing them Adam is coming to the UK end March and end April and they would keep them posted of his schedule so fans could arrange to go show their love and support when he appears, I assume they did the same with the Canadian fansites too. I can’t find the actual Sony email but I did see it and am certain it didn’t ask for fans to show signs of mass hysteria. They wouldnt really have to ask I am sure lol! I am hoping Adam will do well in the UK – I would – I am a huge fan. There is a small, but passionate group of Adam fans here. There’s a few dedicated websites and he has been mentioned favourably and with some expectation of success in several high profile media. But his success here is anyones guess really. If I can get the time to see/meet Adam at any of the promotional stops I promise I won’t be hysterical but I will be bloody chuffed to bits 🙂

      • TopIdol permalink
        February 11, 2010 10:31 pm

        If he’s playing in the UK, you better attend! I would be upset if you didn’t go.

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